RayPA
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Welcome to this critique thread. Please read the purpose statement and the guidelines/ground rules regarding participation.
Purpose
The primary purpose of this thread is to provide a forum where photographers can give and receive constructive criticism on one another's photographs. By setting up some basic guidelines we hope that this thread will provide a forum where the give and take of honest constructive criticism can help us become better photographers.
Guidelines/Ground Rules
The thread has very specific rules regarding participation. The one basic rule is that you cannot provide criticism on an image or comment in a critique thread unless you also have an image posted. To post an image to this thread you must be a participant. Participation in this thread is limited. Here are the guidelines and ground rules for participation:
• Participation in this thread is limited to 5 photographers
• Participants join the thread by posting their intention. You can simply reply with your intent to join by posting something like: "I'm joining," "I'm in," or just state your name
• Joining is on a "first come, first served" basis. The first 5 to reply become the participants.
• Please, only join this thread if you are able post an image within 24 hours of joining.
• Once the thread has 5 participants, no other photographers can join or participate in the thread
• Once the thread is full of participants all photographers will upload their image(s)
• Please abide by any thematic requirement (e.g., landscape, portrait, etc.)
•The number of photos for each participant is limited to one
• Photographers attach photos as thumbnails (no inline images or links)
• Photos should be standard screen resolution (72~90) and the longest side of the image approximately 10 inches in length.
• Photographers post their images supplying titles (if any) and other pertinent information (the amount of information should be minimal)
• Photographers can only comment on their own images and reply to comments only when everyone else in the thread has posted their comments on the image
• Every participant must comment on every photo (except their own—initially)
• Every participant must make at least two comments, one positive comment, and one constructive criticism (which is actually two positive comments)
• Once every photographer has commented then a free flowing discussion begins. It is at this point that every photographer can comment on their own work and reply to comments, ask questions, etc.
• The participants decide when the thread closes.
If you'd like to participate in a critique thread and need some ideas about how to proceed with viewing images critically, you may find this thread helpful:
How do you look at photos
You can also provide feedback on critique threads here:
Critique Feedback Thread
Remember: Please do not provide criticism on an image or comment in a critique thread unless you also have an image posted.
This thread is now active, please follow the guidelines if you'd like to participate! Have Fun!
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Purpose
The primary purpose of this thread is to provide a forum where photographers can give and receive constructive criticism on one another's photographs. By setting up some basic guidelines we hope that this thread will provide a forum where the give and take of honest constructive criticism can help us become better photographers.
Guidelines/Ground Rules
The thread has very specific rules regarding participation. The one basic rule is that you cannot provide criticism on an image or comment in a critique thread unless you also have an image posted. To post an image to this thread you must be a participant. Participation in this thread is limited. Here are the guidelines and ground rules for participation:
• Participation in this thread is limited to 5 photographers
• Participants join the thread by posting their intention. You can simply reply with your intent to join by posting something like: "I'm joining," "I'm in," or just state your name
• Joining is on a "first come, first served" basis. The first 5 to reply become the participants.
• Please, only join this thread if you are able post an image within 24 hours of joining.
• Once the thread has 5 participants, no other photographers can join or participate in the thread
• Once the thread is full of participants all photographers will upload their image(s)
• Please abide by any thematic requirement (e.g., landscape, portrait, etc.)
•The number of photos for each participant is limited to one
• Photographers attach photos as thumbnails (no inline images or links)
• Photos should be standard screen resolution (72~90) and the longest side of the image approximately 10 inches in length.
• Photographers post their images supplying titles (if any) and other pertinent information (the amount of information should be minimal)
• Photographers can only comment on their own images and reply to comments only when everyone else in the thread has posted their comments on the image
• Every participant must comment on every photo (except their own—initially)
• Every participant must make at least two comments, one positive comment, and one constructive criticism (which is actually two positive comments)
• Once every photographer has commented then a free flowing discussion begins. It is at this point that every photographer can comment on their own work and reply to comments, ask questions, etc.
• The participants decide when the thread closes.
If you'd like to participate in a critique thread and need some ideas about how to proceed with viewing images critically, you may find this thread helpful:
How do you look at photos
You can also provide feedback on critique threads here:
Critique Feedback Thread
Remember: Please do not provide criticism on an image or comment in a critique thread unless you also have an image posted.
This thread is now active, please follow the guidelines if you'd like to participate! Have Fun!
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RayPA
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Something NEW to Try!!
Something NEW to Try!!
A member requested that we try a critique session in which we invite a Guest to sit in and comment/critique without posting an image. The member suggested this as a means to bring out a little more constructive criticism/participation.
The guest will join in just as the thread participants do. Also, the guest position is first come, first serve.
Note: Guest participation is an option here.
If you've any questions about how this will work, post them in this thread.
As usual, have some fun!!
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Something NEW to Try!!
A member requested that we try a critique session in which we invite a Guest to sit in and comment/critique without posting an image. The member suggested this as a means to bring out a little more constructive criticism/participation.
The guest will join in just as the thread participants do. Also, the guest position is first come, first serve.
Note: Guest participation is an option here.
If you've any questions about how this will work, post them in this thread.
As usual, have some fun!!
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sirius
Well-known
I'm interested
I'm interested
Here is a photo from Lisbon, Portugal.
- edit - OK, I removed my photo.
I'm interested
Here is a photo from Lisbon, Portugal.
- edit - OK, I removed my photo.
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RayPA
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sirius said:
Hi Sirius,
Welcome to the critique! Be sure you read the guidelines.
You're posting your image a little early. You still need 4 more participants.
raid
Dad Photographer
I want to participate in this new format as a guest, unless you (Ray) prefer another guest. Both are fine with me.
Raid
Raid
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mrtoml
Mancunian
I would also like to participate.
Thanks.
Thanks.
AusDLK
Famous Photographer
I'll jump in again.
davidbivins
Established
I'd like to give this a shot.
FrankS
Registered User
...invite a Guest to sit in and comment/critique without posting an image. ...suggested as a means to bring out a little more constructive criticism/participation.
Ray, could you explain/elaborate on this bit further?
Ray, could you explain/elaborate on this bit further?
RayPA
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FrankS said:
No.
Other than the guest would sit in an offer criticism along the same lines as the other participants, AND that this came in as a request from a good strong participant in these threads who wanted to experiment a little with the arrangement.If you want to take the guest position then it's yours. I think these folks are ready to proceed.
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Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
So the guest is invited by the people in the thread, right? That's a great idea. Let's see how it develops.RayPA said:
raid
Dad Photographer
Who are then the five participants and who is the guest? Are Frank and Gabriel participating? Hopefully so.
Raid
Raid
RayPA
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Gabriel M.A. said:
Well the guest is invited by way of the "+1 Guest." Anyone can be a guest, they don't need an invite, but if you want to invite someone go ahead!
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raid
Dad Photographer
Without Frank and Gabriel there are five participants who indicated they want in. Maybe Frank or Gabriel could be the"Guest"?
Raid
Raid
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FrankS
Registered User
I'm afraid I would not be a polite enough critiquer. Some people have the gift of being very nice and saying positive things whereas at times I see no opportunity to do so.
I'd be happy to critique as a guest, if you will accept a very critical eye and a lack of ability to be nice nice.
edit: Thinking about it, it'd be best if I didn't. RFF is a nice place, and it'd be best to stay that way. Any real criticism could be done by PM to save hurt feelings.
I'd be happy to critique as a guest, if you will accept a very critical eye and a lack of ability to be nice nice.
edit: Thinking about it, it'd be best if I didn't. RFF is a nice place, and it'd be best to stay that way. Any real criticism could be done by PM to save hurt feelings.
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Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Good critiques when you only see positive things is also being a bad critiquer.FrankS said:
Being a good critiquer is about giving constructive feedback, no matter whether you see positive or negative things. Disagreement is not impolite. Getting upset about disagreement and pontificating is impolite.
Being nice all the time is not necessarily a positive thing. Always-positive feedback can be counterproductive, as well as passive-agressive silent treatment, while some may think it's "the right thing to do", is many times a very negative, impolite thing.
One can only become good at something while doing it and learning. Some just do the same thing over and over and over and think that's the best thing to do.
I guess I've been invited to join, but I'll skip this one.
raid
Dad Photographer
Maybe Ray can invite a guest of his choice. This may be better than first come first serve.
Raid
Raid
mrtoml
Mancunian
Gabriel M.A. said:
I agree. I run a print exchange and the most useful criticism I have received over the years has also been the most painful. But I learned a lot by taking the criticism seriously. I pretty much gave up landscape photography because of it, but this was because I realised I was probably not ever going to be any good at it with my current working practices. So it was better that I concentrated on what I was good at.
You just have to take criticism on the chin and get on with it. You don't have to agree with it all the time. But there are polite ways of being constructive and I think the current format where you say one positive and one constructive criticism is a good thing. I am thinking of suggesting this format in my own print exchange.
RayPA
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raid said:
Raid I sent some invites out. The Guest is optional, so don't wait too long. If no one volunteers the group can go ahead without one.
ampguy
Veteran
I'm responding to an invite from Ray. I'd be pleased to be a guest on this one if it's still available. Thanks.