Cross-processing some Kodachrome K-14

[CuS]

Found a roll in a Retina IIa (actually the one in my avatar) and am dying to see what's on it.

I have D-76, HC-110 and Rodinal.

Can anyone suggest a dilution and time in any of these developers for the Kodachrome?

Thanks!

 

[MartinP]

Kodachrome works differently to E6 - something about the dyes being added during development ? But I have no idea about just doing the First-Development stage, or even if there is a simple first-dev.

If you are very curious, or the roll may contain something old-and-interesting, then I would suggest sending it to Dwaynes, as they are the only place processing Kodachrome anymore. From their site it seems to cost only a few dollars.

Is the cassette marked K-14 ? I think I recall reading that there have been a couple of variations on the Kodachrome process, so if it is really ancient then it might be a problem. In any case of doubt I suppose contacting the lab would be a good idea.

Needless to say, many of us will be interested to read what comes out of the film.

EDIT: A bit of googling found me this, from someone at Kodak about four years ago. Basically, you probably cannot just process a first-dev stage and end up with any sort of useable image.

 

[CuS]

Thanks!

Thanks!

Kodachrome works differently to E6 - something about the dyes being added during development ? But I have no idea about just doing the First-Development stage, or even if there is a simple first-dev.

If you are very curious, or the roll may contain something old-and-interesting, then I would suggest sending it to Dwaynes, as they are the only place processing Kodachrome anymore. From their site it seems to cost only a few dollars.

Is the cassette marked K-14 ? I think I recall reading that there have been a couple of variations on the Kodachrome process, so if it is really ancient then it might be a problem. In any case of doubt I suppose contacting the lab would be a good idea.

Needless to say, many of us will be interested to read what comes out of the film.

EDIT: A bit of googling found me this, from someone at Kodak about four years ago. Basically, you probably cannot just process a first-dev stage and end up with any sort of useable image.

It will probably be pointless, but I'll try D-76 1:1 for 7 mins @20C.

It is marked K-14 and its very old - probably from the early 60s - given it came from a Retina IIa (which are usualy late 50s (I think)).

I'll post any progress.

 

[bobomoon]

Cus, don't do it! Just take it to wallyworld, man.

I've seen examples of the cross and it seems like a waste of kodachrome to me. Who knows, maybe there's something worth preserving on the other side. Messages from beyond...

 

[John Robertson]

cross procerssing Kodachrome in C41 usually results in a completely blank film as the bleach fix removes all the image.

 

[Trius]

Yes... DO NOT CROSS PROCESS Send it to Dwayne's in Parsons, KS, either direct or via Wal-Mart. It is an absolute SIN to cross process Kodachrome.

 

[CuS]

Okay - you all guilted me out.

Okay - you all guilted me out.

I have a Dwayne's order form ready to go - its off tomorrow.

Thanks for your input - where would me and my bessa be without you all?

 

[SolaresLarrave]

I was always wondering about it... because K-chrome is essentially a B&W film in which the color couplers are added as part of the developing process (at least, according to Henri Willems, in an article published in the book Kodachrome: 1939-1959.

In any event... I am a bit reluctant about sacrificing one roll just for the experiment. I guess I'll keep the idea as just an idea.

 

[LeicaTom]

K-14 to C-41 will result in a blank clear sheet of film......it will NOT work, I`ve tried it, Kodachrome doesn`t do the CP trick, send it out to be developed normally, who know`s maybe there`s something really kool still on them?????

Tom

 

[amateriat]

K14 is contmporary Kodachrome. And, given how different it is from any other process (and I mean really different), cross-processing is likely a waste of time at best.

At a customer's request (doing a shoot for Seventeen magazine in the early 90s), I ran a bunch of rolls of the then-new Ektachrome 320 tungsten through a C41 processor (an ancient Kreonite...that machine was fun to try and keep running). I have to say that the results were fascinating, but it didn't drive me toward cross-processing in any meaningful way.

If you want to try cross-processing, this would be the safer and more-effective ticket.


- Barrett

 

[Al Kaplan]

Back whenb newspapers first started running color news photos it was common practice to run High Speed Ektachrome through the C-22 chemicals used back then for Kodacolor. I seem to recall that you could gain about half a stop over the rated ASA 160, a useable ASA 250 or so. I don't recall if that was E-2 or E-4. The colors weren't spot-on accurate, and it was grainy as hell, but for newspaper work it was passable. It was about 2 stops faster than the ASA 64 Kodacolor-X of the day.

Has anybody here tried souping any E-6 films in C-41 chemistry?

 

[amateriat]

Al: See my previous post, above yours. 🙂


- Barrett

 

[LeicaTom]

Has anybody here tried souping any E-6 films in C-41 chemistry?

Yes, I still do it quite often in my Retro PinUp work always Kodak Ektachrome as my base film......been doing it myself since the early 1990`s

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46880

and here

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47610

Both shoots shot with vintage gear, Canon IIF2 & 50mm Canon f1.8 and "Half Race" Leica IIIC & 50mm Nikkor f2.0

I`ll have more CP work shot soon with a varied selection of FAST 1950`s 50mm lenses soon.......

Enjoy!

Tom

 

[Al Kaplan]

The big problem with those cross processed negs was the lack of the orange mask. You could use a piece of "clear" processed color neg film to give the orange color but it didn't act as a (contrast?) mask and a lot of labs refused to play around with printing the negatives. A few people played around with C-22 processing of E-2 Ektachrome Infrared. I got some great shots with that film, but shooting it as a transparency. Here's one shot with an orange filter (to keep out ALL the UV light, which the film was sensitive to also) with a 19mm f/3.5 Canon lens on a Leica III-f backj in 1968. http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6344/1997/1600/Blog 71 e.jpg

 

[LeicaTom]

The big problem with those cross processed negs was the lack of the orange mask. You could use a piece of "clear" processed color neg film to give the orange color but it didn't act as a (contrast?) mask and a lot of labs refused to play around with printing the negatives. A few people played around with C-22 processing of E-2 Ektachrome Infrared. I got some great shots with that film, but shooting it as a transparency. Here's one shot with an orange filter (to keep out ALL the UV light, which the film was sensitive to also) with a 19mm f/3.5 Canon lens on a Leica III-f backj in 1968. http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6...g%2071%20e.jpg

Al that`s NUTZ!!!!!! and BEAUTIFUL 🙂

Like "Alice In Acidland" looks straight out of a 1960`s art movie WOW!!!!!!

Now just how did you do this???? Kodak Ektachrome IR in Kodachrome processing???

I`m very interested in doing crazy stuff like this, works well in my Retro work

 

[Al Kaplan]

C-22 was the process for E-2 Ektachrome, not Kodachrome. All the various Kodachrome processes have the prefix "K".

 

[Al Kaplan]

Whoops, C-22 was for Kodacolor & Ektacolor negatives. E-2 was for the amateur Ektachromes before E-4 came out. Pro Ektachrome was E-3.

 

[LeicaTom]

C-22 was the process for E-2 Ektachrome, not Kodachrome. All the various Kodachrome processes have the prefix "K".

Sorry yes, E = Ektachrome, so that was Kodak color IR in Slide Processing development?
Shot with a orange filter and treated as slide?

I really like the effects of that photo, I`ve been looking all over the place for out of date Kodak color IR and then let alone have to figure out a way to develop it.....while I was told machines can`t do it unless they have a way to turn off IR sensors etc.? I don`t have experience with Kodak color IR yet know how to cross processes it 😉

Tom

PS: I wonder if any filters would change the effects of E-6 slide to film negative?

I always shoot it JUST AS SLIDES and develop it in C-41 making sure to to overexpose it too much so that detials are lost in too high a contrast......

 

[murrayatuptown]

Sorry for slightly thread-jacking...

Someone is sending me a box of 126 cartidges, mostly Kodachrome, some Verichrome Pan.

I don't have a 126 camera at present, but I will do something with the film. The alternative was it would go into the trash at the sender's end.

Some say the 126 cartridge was never good enough to keep the film flat.

So maybe I'll use them for pinhole...

anyway, I doubt they are worth the cost of mailing & having K14 process done, but is the film likely to store wellm as it's supposedly a black & white film at it's core, with color developed in the chemistry.

Maybe that means color shifts due to aging (stored in a closet for years) might be less likely with Kodachrome than dye-coupler films (I'm hypothesizing, at best).

Too bad I didn't have a Retina Instamatic Reflex...I have a spare 50/1.9 lens from th e35mm Retina Reflex S.

Thanks

Murray

 

[Freakscene]

>It is marked K-14 and its very old - probably from the early 60s

Kodachrome became K14 process in the early 1970s, the last of four major overhauls in its lifetime. If your roll is K14 process, it is no older than the early 1970s.

Let us know what is on it.

Marty