cycling and rangefinders....

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xcapekey

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i just started cycling and would like to bring my RFs with me but am afraid of knocking out the alignment (already happened once)....anyone have any tips for riding with a leica or other RF on a bike?

how hard is it to recallibrate the RF patch? within the last 2 years of Leica ownership I've had to send each of the M's to be CLAd at least once, one of them has been in the repair shop 3 times....i'm not particularly hard on my cameras, i just use them a lot!!

thanks for any suggestions...
 
Pardon me for asking, but do you fall down a lot? I just got back into bicycling as well (we are talking about bicycles, right?) and I don't do a lot of <i>extreme</i> things on mine. Jump a curb, once in a while. My biggest concern is where to tote the camera. I'm thinking of doing an Olympus XA on a lanyard around my neck or a belt pack of some kind.

Now that I'm cycling around my neighborhood, I'm seeing a lot of cyclers wearing helmets, with little mirrors attached, and they have these clips on their shoes, they can't get off the pedals, and they have bottled water delivery systems and whoo-boy. I have a Trek 50 and ride it upright, in jeans and a t-shirt. I can HEAR cars coming, see, so I don't need mini mirrors or helmets or backward-looking video cameras or SONAR and so on. And I don't check my heart rate every twenty seconds, for crying out loud. Just pump hard every so often and you get into good shape. You know it is working when you sweat and breathe hard for awhile. People take this stuff way too seriously.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
I work at a bike store for a friend of mine on Saturday, does that count? Accessories help keep us in business. We've a law here in Shaker Heights requiring bicycle riders to wear helmets. We'd like it more if they required two...

:)

I gave up on rangefinders on the bicycle, and carry around a Voigtlander Vito- no rangefinder, guess and golly focus, and best of all, < $10. If I drop it, I feel bad.
 
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I work at a bike store for a friend of mine on Saturday, does that count? Accessories help keep us in business. We've a law here in Shaker Heights requiring bicycle riders to wear helmets. We'd like it more if they required two...

They have such a law here, I'm told. People turn right on red from TWO lanes, for crying out loud. No way I'm wearing a bike helmet. They look stupid. And last I heard, it was my brain and I pay my own health insurance.

I bought my Trek at a local shop INSTEAD of Walmart and paid way over for it and a bike lock and some high-falootin' chain oil (see, sewing machine oil worked fine in my day, I guess chains aren't made well anymore), but I did it intentionally to support my local bike shop and help keep it in bidness. Danged if I'm going to pay more than double for the thing over Walmart prices. Double yes, more than double, I have to say whoa.

I gave up on rangefinders on the bicycle, and carry around a Voigtlander Vito- no rangefinder, guess and golly focus, and best of all, > $10. If I drop it, I feel bad.

Pretty good idea, I'd say. Even a PnS would be a pretty good choice, yes?

Still, how do you knock the rangefinder out of whack on a bicycle? You guys drive over buildings and stuff?

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Sadly, I've experienced the "knock out of alignment," but not with a Leica, but a Zeiss- not hard to do, the mirror is on a stalk. That was my lesson.

See, in Cleveland here, we have this time of the year called "winter." It lasts nearly 8 months some years, and is known by the freezing of the water in the roads proper, making these things called holes, and causing rough rides, in spite of carbon fiber forks.

Um... Is it just hyperbole, or would you like to discuss what's going on with the chain, current thinking, and lubricant? Chains are better made now-a-days, but the current thinking is that keeping it as clean as reasonably possible is the best approach to chain maintenance. Basically one is going to have to replace that chain every 3,000 miles or so anyway, else pay the penalty of buying new casettes and so forth. That fancy chain lube is pretty cool stuff, but doesn't like to get or stay where it can do Good Things, that is, bear the load of the tiny rollers and bushings. It gets pressed right out, and isn't like a motorcycle chain where each link has seals preventing the lubricant from leaving. Anything that leaves oil residue becomes a perfect suspension point for dust and dirt- much of that being silicon based and becomes a good grinding compound. In other words, you are damned if you lubricate, damned if you don't.
The old chains performed similarly, but were much more heavily built- they had to be, as the gearing systems were wider, and needed chains to take that load. We still sell chains like that. They last just as long as they ever did.
Bicycle technology has made long advances, but like everything else, one has to pay money to buy into it. The same old cheap stuff, out of round (and overly machine assembled) bearings are available for the same price they were in the 80's, meaning that bikes have gotten cheaper over time. On the other hand, carbon fiber forks, or rear stays, with a light frame and good shifting componentry is going to cost ya. Oh, by the way, it'll use a chain that'll suffer if you use a machine oil, just as a cheap one will...

But those are just the words of an overworked bicycle mechanic. We see lots of those $100 Wall-Mart specials come in. Impacted bearings, heavy steel wheels with loose (from the factory!) spokes, and kids that insist on using oilers on the chains (more is better!!!).

Just like cameras, spend the money now and get something that can be maintained to last, or don't and fix it all the time.

Personally, I wear a helmet to help avert a death or debilitating injury because of people that like to make right hand turns from two lanes over... With no signal. Then again, I also ride my motorcycle without one sometimes, and have had dropped the bike a couple times, grateful that my head didn't hit the pavement.

Stuff happens. The helmet law is usually enforced by our bike cops. They have been riding all day and are on heavy Police Treks- they aren't a match for a decent road bike.

:)
 
Bill, no helmet law for adult bicyclists in Toronto, helmet law for gas powered bikes in Toronto. Now the good part. Not wearing a helmet in this city anyway is rolling dice and coming up snake eyes. Three weeks ago a cabbie decided he was going to drive thru me because he was in a hurry. Drove me into a steel lamp post and I broke my hand. I had a helmet on. Glad I did.

And it's not just cabbies in this city, many drivers are even more agressive. So helmets are sold. Finally there is now direct medical proof / evidence that head injuries result in dementia in late life. So I forget why I'm wearing one but when I recall I'll write you. ;-)

Have fun in Gettysburg.

cheers, Jan
 
Although I haven't had the time to ride much since we moved to Israel 4 months ago, I'm typically a pretty regular rider. I ususally cycle 3 to 4 times a week, between 20 to 50 miles each ride.

For a camera I have a Minox GT-X which is easy to take along. I haven't yet tried with a rangefinder, but my feeling is that a backpack would provide the best protection from road vibration which could knock th finder out of line. There are also some some nice rack/bag set-ups that attach to your seatpost and extend backwards over the rear wheel. They are large enough to carry most any camera, but may transmit too much road vibration.

As for helmets, law or no law, not wearing won is crazy. At some point you will fall. A buddy of mine was almost run over by a sweet little old lady in our neighborhood when she made a right turn without looking. Fortunately for him, the helmet hit the poll and not his bare head! A teenage girl who was riding around our neighborhood with friends took a fall without a helmet and bashed her head. She's very lucky that there does not appear to be any long term damage. However, she has total amnesia of the event, and has even forgoten certain words and other memories.

Oh, and as for clip-on pedals. They are definitely not necessary for recreational type riding. But, let me tell you that the difference in performance between riding without them versus riding with them is tremendous. They actually allow you to apply force to the pedals on both the down stroke and the upstroke. However, they are not so easy to learn to use (actually, it's the un-clipping part that takes a bit of practice) and, do not even attempt to use them without a helmet. I still have fond memories of the first few times I stopped at a traffic light clipped to the bike, and could not put my feet down because they were firmly attached to the bike (yes, I tipped over).

All the best,

Michael
 
I cycle to and from work daily. Part of the route is rattling over paved roads in the dinky little town where I live. I always carry a camera in a small back pack (along with my lunchbox and some rain-clothing). Often it's a Bessa-T. The rangefinder alignment hasn't moved a hair from where it was the day I bought it.

But then again, we don't have to wear helmets when cycling over here in Holland. Could that have something to do with it?
 
I do a lot of riding on my old Schwinn and on a road bike, when I am commuting. I carry cameras, either in a backpack or slung over my shoulder, and have never had any problems with the rangefinders on any of my cameras going out of alignment. The only way I could see that happening is if you were carrying your camera in a saddle bag or handlebar bag, where the camera would be directly affected by vibration.

Richie
 
Or if you fell off your bike and landed on your bag with said camera inside.. That would hurt. I took my Bessa R and an SLR with me on a bike ride a little while ago and managed to scratch the Bessa R top plate somehow. A bit of padding on the inside wont hurt to keep things looking good :)
 
Fuji bike, backpack, Leica inside :)
No helmet - not required here, and the drivers are used to bicycles. We also have many bicycle paths, so it's not that dangerous.
OTOH, the backpack has padding - there's a smaller camera bag inside, with one camera and sometimes one extra lens (or light meter, if the camera is unmetered).

Perhaps we could start posting photos in this thread?
Not necessarily RF photos, like in "Camera and Coffee" thread?

I'll try to get a shot of myself on the bike soon - but I'll need my wife to take that shot :)

Denis
 
Being Dutch, I cycle to work daily like Peter. However, here in Glasgow it's a bit more dangerous than in The Netherlands. Dangerous car drivers certainly make me wake up in the morning...

I would also say that carrying your camera in a backpack is safer than using panniers / bags on a rack on the back. I normally carry my laptop and digital p&s in a padded backpack, with a rain cover to keep it dry (this is Scotland...). However we often cycle from Glasgow to Stirling, a nice ride of about 4 hours through the hills. I then carry my slr in a heavily padded CCS bag, inside one of these water-proof roll-top panniers. With some spare clothes or lunch for extra shock absorbance, this works fine. I guess a rangefinder would survive this as well. Ortlieb make the best waterproof bags: www.ortlieb.com (including roll-top camera bags!)

Cycling is certainly better than driving for spotting good photo ops and stopping everywhere. But walking is even better.
 
Bill get a decent helmet...one fall is all it takes for a serious injury. Todays helmets are very comfortable and cool. Mine has a visor on it that works good too. I bike on paths and offroad where a fall can happen anytime. Good that you got a quality bike from your bike shop. I just repaired two cheap ones for a freind...cheap junk with parts missing from the brake design! I ride a specialized and have a pouch behind my seat or I have a bag on the handlebars to carry a camera well padded. Just a point and shoot is enough, not gonna risk anything nice.
 
jan normandale said:
Bill, no helmet law for adult bicyclists in Toronto, helmet law for gas powered bikes in Toronto. Now the good part. Not wearing a helmet in this city anyway is rolling dice and coming up snake eyes. Three weeks ago a cabbie decided he was going to drive thru me because he was in a hurry. Drove me into a steel lamp post and I broke my hand. I had a helmet on. Glad I did.

And it's not just cabbies in this city, many drivers are even more agressive. So helmets are sold. Finally there is now direct medical proof / evidence that head injuries result in dementia in late life. So I forget why I'm wearing one but when I recall I'll write you. ;-)

Have fun in Gettysburg.

cheers, Jan

Jan, sorry to hear what happened to you! I think we have different situations. I am riding around in my neighborhood - no cabs, no trucks, no commercial traffic, no traffic signals. Just tooling around the streets. As to helmets - I agree they're a good idea and protect your noggin. My objection? First - I rode a bicycle growing up, there was no such thing as a helmet. Somehow I avoided dying. Second - I object to governments telling me what I must do because it is good for me. If the rights of others were involved, fine - their right to be safe trumps my right to do as I wish. But if I fail to wear a helmet, it harms no one but me. So it is my bidness and that's that.

Truly am sorry to hear about your hand, though!

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Ah, my two favorite subjects...cycling and photography! :D

I never bring my RFs when I ride because I find them too fiddly for fast picture-taking. However, I did take my Bessa R along when I crewed on the 2005 RAAM and the 2005 UMCA 24-hour championships and it worked great despite some rough treatment.

So I'd say that unless you're doing BMX or dirt-jumping any RF camera can be brought on a bike ride w/out worrying about upsetting the RF alignment. I'd be more careful with keeping the lenses clean than I would with the RF system.

My current film-based cycling camera is my non-RF XA2, which can slip into my back jersey pocket. I put it inside a plastic sandwich bag first, to protect it from sweat and spilled water. Sometimes I bring my Canon A40 digital and stuff it in my panniers.

OT issues:

I've been riding for almost 20 years, spent two seasons working in a bike shop and crewed for several ultra-marathon cycling races. As to the helmet debate, I say it's every rider's decision to make for him or her self. Do I ride with one? Not always. Do I think this is foolish? Yes. Am I going to tell another rider to wear a helmet? No way (however, I did do so for kids under 14 when I worked in the bike store -- to comply with New Jersey law). Grownups can make these decisions just fine without any input from me or "the guvmint". But if you get hurt you'd better be prepared to accept responsibility for your decision.

A comment on Bill's bike buying experience. He did good by buying his bike from a local bike shop ("LBS") as opposed to a big-box store like WalMart. I won't get into the various social and political reasons why I don't shop at WalMart, but I would never, ever buy a bicycle from them (or any big-box retailer) under any circumstances:

1. The bikes they sell tend to be equipped with inferior, non-standard parts. Use of ferrous metals in corrosion-prone parts is common. Many LBS lack spare parts for these "disoposable bikes" and some LBS will refuse to repair them

2. The frame dropouts are sometimes press-fit rather than welded. Not good for long-term use (or safety).

3. Bikes sold at big-box stores are sometimes assemebled by people with no cycling knowlege. Brakes, wheels and derailers often have to be re-adjusted by the rider after only a few days of use.

4. Big-box stores offer no warranty or repair service on the bikes they sell. If a part fails, don't try to bring your $119 special back to WalMart.

Most bikes sold at your LBS have extended or lifetime warranties on the frames. Key parts can be easily replaced (sometimes for free). Also, most LBS I know give one or two years of free maintenance service with every new bike purchase. At approximately $35 for a LBS "basic tuneup", figure your purchase price includes about $70 in free labor for the first two years of ownership. Furthermore, LBS bikes are assembled and checked by professionals and not hourly-wage workers with little interest in cycling.

Bill, you may have spent more in the short run but, trust me, you will have your Trek for years to come and you've SAVED money in the long run. Plus you helped a local merchant. Nicely done. Some freewheeling karma is coming your way soon. :angel:
 
This is not completely on-topic, but I just came back from Copenhagen yesterday, and was amazed at the amount of bike-riders there - sometimes there seem to be more bikes than cars on the road, they have got great, wide bike paths, the car drivers seem to be very considerate and laid-back (here in Vienna, it is an open war between bikers and car drivers, with many people getting injured - mostly the bikers...), but then that might just be the general Danish attitude.
Also, I saw all kinds of weird (yet practical) bikes - ones that have a platform for e.g. carrying a case of beer between the rider and the front-wheel, and quite common, three wheelers (two wheels in front, one in the back, some of those even use the rear wheel for steering), with large boxes between the two front wheels, mainly used to carry one or two kids (but they could also hold a huge box of camera equipment, to get this on-topic again).
And lots of bikes with nice Brooks leather saddles, parked openly in the streets (here,those saddles would be stolen within 5 minutes...).


Roman
 
Sometimes cycling and photographing is a great combination, where else can you get to stop your car whenever you wanted to take a picture? :) Seriously though, I have put my Bessa R in my backpack and it has been fine. Never considered putting it in the panniers though, that would result in way too much vibration. Anyhow, I've dropped my Bessa R while walking before - someone bumped into me on the street and whacked it out of my hand, and it must have dropped 3 feet onto the pavement. I was really upset, and the bottom (plastic) was all scratched and one side looked wonky. I managed to push it back, and apart from the scratches, the rangefinder still works 100%. So does the lens. So I don't feel that nervous about subjecting the Bessa R to a little bit of abuse anymore.

Jin
 
Since February I've garaged my Santana Superlight and have been riding a Trikke 12 Roadster (see trikke.com). Done the Acura Bike Tour on it in Los Angeles and am working towards the Rosarito to Ensenada ride this month and then the Long Beach Marathon in October. Lots of fun and a great full body workout! I've taken my CL/40 with me with no problems since it's usually in a backpack. I've even taken my Canon 1D Mark II with a 70-200 IS, 17-40 and a 1.4x teleconverter in a Lowepro backpack. That's a heavy load on a HPV! But most of the time I'm bringing a small digital PnS that fits in my pocket. I haven't brought my MP on any rides yest but I assume that it can withstand a least as much abuse as the CL.
 
Hi

Yes, two of my favorite themes also. Does anyone knows some model of camelbak or other brand of backpak that can hold some water and for example a canonet? I've tried to search amongst the camelbak brand and i haven't found a model that suit my needs (camera and water, of course).
Greetings to you all!
 
Hi Luf,

I assume the Canonet is about the size of an Leica M? The Camelbak Blowfish is plenty big. It even expands to hold more junk than you'd want. It also holds 3 liters of liquid for long rides. But it doesn't offer any padding to protect the contents of the pack so make sure you have something cushy to put your camera in.
 
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