D200 Fire sale

Sam R

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Some days I just love old classic rangefinder like my SP.. Just over at a site, "Nikonionians" alot of people are trying to unload D200 as it is "old technology" Next year they will be unoading the D300 to buy the latest "wiz bang".
 
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...or by buying the prior generation of the latest whiz bang anythings🙂

I have strange buying habits. I usually tend to buy the last or near last items fom a production run because I believe that the company has had time to work out all the kinks and glitches.

I did this with my F's (got a couple from the 1973 production batch), same with my F2A, F3HP. I even went out and (yes, I also like using those wiz bang toys 😱 ) got a second new D200 last month the moment Nikon announced the release of the D300. My theory is that I will be able to get more life out of the camera and it has proven itself as a reliable instrument. Most newly released Nikons tend to have a problem or two in the begining of their production life. These problems usually get corrected at the end of their production life.
 
Exactly, so I'm just waiting 2 two years until the D4 (or D5 since 4 is a bad number (well, it didn't with F4!!)) comes out and get a D3!
If I gonna keep any APS size sensor for the future that will be the D2h, the d200 will go for sure. All the rest I keep since I have done all my (short) life.
 
I have a different buying habit, I buy what does what I want and use it until it breakes. My first SLR, bought in 1982, broke 2001 and since 2003 I have a Canon D60 which still does what it did then.

Obsolete? Why?
 
Socke said:
I have a different buying habit, I buy what does what I want and use it until it breakes. My first SLR, bought in 1982, broke 2001 and since 2003 I have a Canon D60 which still does what it did then.

Obsolete? Why?

Very true! I believe that "obsolete" was a term coined by manufaturers in order to push new merchandise on people.

I still use a pair of "old" D1X's and I absolutely love the images I get from them. They are old technology by today's standards and are often overlooked by people who tend to buy the latest and the greatest.

As far as the film bodies go, my favorite SLR of all times is the F3HP. It was Nikon's longest running pro model, even continued selling after its "updated replacement" (F4) was no longer produced. I still have an F3 I purchased back in the early 1980's from a journalist friend of mine at the time. It had been used and abused back then, looked worn and weathered. It still works today (although cosmetically it looks like it survived several wars). I have used many newer (and older) Nikon SLR's, but the rugged simplicity and reliability of the F3 is without parallel. Even my F2A is rather finicky at times (jumpy meter).

In theory a picture (or image) can be obtained with just about any camera. In reality we could shoot just about any image today with equipment made back in the 1960's and 70's. Newer models offer more convenience (autofocus, vibration reduction, matrix metering, etc). There are people shooting great images today who have continued using equipment they purchased many years ago (very practical approach). Then, there are the "gearheads" (myself shamefully included) who use old equipment and new equipment just because we like collecting and using all types of cameras. And finally you have the people who live by the mantra of "out with the old and in with the new".

I can't say for sure which group is right or wrong, all I know is that each one has his or her own method that brings joy to the image capturing process.
 
>>In theory a picture (or image) can be obtained with just about any camera. In reality we could shoot just about any image today with equipment made back in the 1960's and 70's.<<

That's quite true. I got into rangefinders as a sort of reaction to the F4 ... For someone who knows how to focus, gauge light, balance flash and catch peak action, there's much less need for autofocus, matrix metering, TTL flash, and motor drives. They have their uses, especially in pro sports and some high action environments (not always combat, by the way), but mostly the automation prevents a photographer from understanding what the camera is doing and why. It makes it easier for casual photographers but makes it harder to master the process.

Under our holiday tree sits a D40, chosen because its size and weight are so small (and obviously because it's so affordable). Our Canon Powershot G1 and G2 are still as good as they were five and six years ago, but the family is ready for a DSLR. (I'll keep using the Canon G1 because it's so portable, a visual note-taker). I like the D40 because it uses my 1960s lenses without a built-in meter, the same way I shoot my rangefinders. My wife will probably use the kit lens more often. When she's using the D40, I'll carry a rangefinder. But my new job is quite busy, with less time for film workflow when shooting family photos, and I got tired of waiting for someone to make an affordable digital RF compatible with my Nikkor lenses. I thought about a D200 for backwards compatability. But in the end I decided a small incident light meter is smaller, lighter, cheaper, and easier to use.
 
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Exactly!

Exactly!

snegron said:
I have strange buying habits. I usually tend to buy the last or near last items fom a production run because I believe that the company has had time to work out all the kinks and glitches.

Exactly why I bought a S3-2000! I figured they got the kinks worked out by now!

B2 (;->
 
On the other hand, lots of folks dumped their Nikon S's to get S2's, dumped those for SP's and traded those for F's, all within about a five-year span from 1954 to '59.
 
All this jumping around may seem silly, but it's a lot less so with DSLRs than with older RF equipment.

Back in the '50s/'60s, when Kodak periodically improved Tri-X, you could just put the new film into your old S/S2/SP/whatever and enjoy the improved image quality.

In today's DSLR world, the low light/high ISO image quality of the D300 (I have one) is dramatically superior to that of the preceding models (I have a D80 for comparison)... but the only way to get that improvement is to buy the new camera body.

For those who don't shoot a lot of low light/high ISO shots, it's no big deal and a "fire sale" D200 might be an excellent buy. But if you do need the improved image quality, there's no way to get it except to bite the bullet.

Unlikely though they are, I really, really hope the rumors turn out to be true about this sensor (or the larger D3 version) winding up in a forthcoming Nikon rangefinder camera...
 
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Interesting thing I noticed about the S2 compared to my DSLR's is the size and weight difference. I even compared the S2 with my lightest film camera, an N80 with 50mm 1.8 AF lens. The SLR is so bulky by comparision! Then when I compared it to my D200 and D1X's I was amazed at how much difference in weight and bulk there was.

Candid shooting is much more difficult with any of these modern SLR's (especially DSLR's) because they stand out so much. They were built to be seen by everyone. They stand out so much compared to rangefinders. I have tried using my D200 with small prime lenses, but they still stand out too much. When is Nikon going to release a digital rangefinder? Of course, if they do I will make sure to buy one after the first or second year of production just to make sure the glitches have been worked out...🙂
 
snegron said:
ICandid shooting is much more difficult with any of these modern SLR's (especially DSLR's) because they stand out so much. They were built to be seen by everyone. They stand out so much compared to rangefinders.

I noticed that yesterday, when I tried to shoot X-mas 'candids' at home with my Olympus E-1 and 14-54mm zoom. The reaction was: "what's that!". Although my wife and kids have seen the gear occasionally before. My Nikon S2 or Bessa R2S with 50mm and 35mm prime lenses didn't arouse any respond from them. 🙂
 
None of my camera evoke a "what's that" anymore. Sometimes they evoke a "Dad, can you get the Polaroid now". Gave the Polaroid 180 a workout this morning. I love 690 film. No need to time it.
 
>>It's actually rangefinders that draw attention<<

I've noticed this the past 4 or 5 years. Back when most people carried a film point-and-shoot, those cameras were roughly the size of a rangefinder, and nobody paid much attention. Now that the digitals are smaller, with LCD screens, people aren't used to seeing someone using a midsize camera with a viewfinder. I find myself explaining it more often -- a camera that takes SLR-quality pictures but is much smaller and easier to carry around.
 
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