ray*j*gun
Veteran
Thank you all very much for the input!!
The D90 is a good tool but I felt a camera that would meter my Heritage glass along with bigger sensors would give me a better product and more cropping flex.
Lots to think about here....again thanks!
The D90 is a good tool but I felt a camera that would meter my Heritage glass along with bigger sensors would give me a better product and more cropping flex.
Lots to think about here....again thanks!
Danlo
Established
The D600 is an amazing camera, BUT, you will never take it with you because its to heavy and large.. Mine mostly lies in cubbard.. I will NEVER EVER buy another Dslr. Next time its Leica M or a Fuji for me.
Phantomas
Well-known
Not everyone is a sucker like you. I take my D600 with me just fine. No need to project. Instead, next time use your brain before buying something, instead of letting it rot on the shelf, while writing it off for the rest of the world just because it doesn't suit you.
Paul T.
Veteran
I find this logic unconvincing. I think you're importing concepts from RF lenses, where the exit pupil of the lens is near to the sensor. THis is not the case on a Nikon or most other DSLRs, where there is a mirror box, and the lens is much further away from the sensor plane. I haven't seen any reports of the D600 using offset lenses, and I'd be surprised if they've done so given the lenses likely to be used on this camera. Yer standard manual Nikkor 50.1.8 is a very high-resolving lens, and I bet it would give great results on the new D600.
Such aggression and nastiness over the question of whether someone enjoys carrying a DSLR around. Perhaps distaste for the D600 didn't carry this thread forward, but this kind of response helps it head straight for the gutter.
Phantomas
Well-known
You're right sir. I was being a tad harsh. Maybe the case of irritation with irrelevant advices lately. The comment could have been phrased in the first person though, rather than "I do not use this camera thus neither will you". There is no issue with everyone's personal experience, but it wasn't stated as such.
ray*j*gun
Veteran
I have carried my D90 without issue but I was one of the few fanatics that actually carried a Mamyia RZ67 around lol. This will boil down to my computer and its limited RAM. Thank you all for your input.
bigeye
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Ray:
D90 is a good camera. If you are considering just using your manual lenses on a digital body, you can chip them to get EXIF data, manual and aperture priority AE on your D90. The D90 doesn't come with the manual/custom lens support that the big D's (and D600) do.
If you do get a new DSLR later, the chips will still work (Ai-P like) and you will not have to mess with the fussy custom lens selection menus.
The other problem for some with DSLRs using manual focus lenses is the focusing screen. Some people are ok with the original screens, some change to split, if available. They're just sorting out the issue for the D600/D800; I haven't seen a clear way for those, yet. (There is much web ranting on the web there, too. Just google it.) Manual focus is slow and tedious using the standard screens and a better one would help. KatzEye and others make one for your D90.
My experience with Ai-S lenses on digital is mixed. 24/2.8 was soft (bad copy?), 50/1.8 great (but worth the effort?), 105/2.5 has rich contrast, bit soft (ok for portrait), w/noticeable CA, 200/4 was soft, *heavy* CA and veiling at larger apertures. The 105 is the only one that I think is worth bringing from that bunch into the digital world.
You can figure all this out today for yourself though, just hang your old lenses on the D90 and handle exposure, trial & error, with the back screen.
- Charlie
PS - It's also fun to try your RZ lenses with a $30 ebay F adapter, too. I've tried the Zeiss 'blad V lenses on mine and they clearly smoke anything Nikon, new or old, I have - much counter to web admonitions I've seen. Clunky, yes. Works great on the FE, too - you still get metering.
D90 is a good camera. If you are considering just using your manual lenses on a digital body, you can chip them to get EXIF data, manual and aperture priority AE on your D90. The D90 doesn't come with the manual/custom lens support that the big D's (and D600) do.
If you do get a new DSLR later, the chips will still work (Ai-P like) and you will not have to mess with the fussy custom lens selection menus.
The other problem for some with DSLRs using manual focus lenses is the focusing screen. Some people are ok with the original screens, some change to split, if available. They're just sorting out the issue for the D600/D800; I haven't seen a clear way for those, yet. (There is much web ranting on the web there, too. Just google it.) Manual focus is slow and tedious using the standard screens and a better one would help. KatzEye and others make one for your D90.
My experience with Ai-S lenses on digital is mixed. 24/2.8 was soft (bad copy?), 50/1.8 great (but worth the effort?), 105/2.5 has rich contrast, bit soft (ok for portrait), w/noticeable CA, 200/4 was soft, *heavy* CA and veiling at larger apertures. The 105 is the only one that I think is worth bringing from that bunch into the digital world.
You can figure all this out today for yourself though, just hang your old lenses on the D90 and handle exposure, trial & error, with the back screen.
- Charlie
PS - It's also fun to try your RZ lenses with a $30 ebay F adapter, too. I've tried the Zeiss 'blad V lenses on mine and they clearly smoke anything Nikon, new or old, I have - much counter to web admonitions I've seen. Clunky, yes. Works great on the FE, too - you still get metering.
willie_901
Veteran
CamRanger supports the D600, but this may not be the type of tethering you require.
willie_901
Veteran
I own one. It is a great buy. No disappointments with the D700. If you use LiveView a lot, the camera batteries expire quickly. I bought two extras for long days. I also bought a back up external battery to power the CamRanger and iPad/iPhone during long sessions. I hate looking bad because batteries die.
Altogether I spent $300 for the camRanger and about another $100 for all for the extra batteries. It saves me time because I can move my light stands around and adjust strobe powers without going back and forth to the camera. With the iPad I can see and correct problems like reflections, harsh shadows, and other problems that mean less post-processing time. The clients love seeing a large photo in real time. One interior designer walked all over a large family room rearranging sofa pillows, and other objects while seeing the changes as the camera saw them in Live View. This was much faster than shooting the tethered to a laptop.
The CamRanger itself hangs from my tripod in it's case, a nice black felt bag. You can tidy up the cable to the camera to avoid snags with small Velcro steps.
Altogether I spent $300 for the camRanger and about another $100 for all for the extra batteries. It saves me time because I can move my light stands around and adjust strobe powers without going back and forth to the camera. With the iPad I can see and correct problems like reflections, harsh shadows, and other problems that mean less post-processing time. The clients love seeing a large photo in real time. One interior designer walked all over a large family room rearranging sofa pillows, and other objects while seeing the changes as the camera saw them in Live View. This was much faster than shooting the tethered to a laptop.
The CamRanger itself hangs from my tripod in it's case, a nice black felt bag. You can tidy up the cable to the camera to avoid snags with small Velcro steps.
ray*j*gun
Veteran
Charlie, I'm very interested in the comment you made about using Hassy lenses on Nikon bodies. I have a 500c/m with an 80mm Zeiss lens (silver) not the T version and would like your thoughts on using an adapter. Thank you for your other input as well!
willie_901
Veteran
The app works as it should on both the iPhone and iPad. I have no experience wit h the Android version. You may need the most recent release.
One nice thing is if you accidentally turn the camera off, the app reconnects without a fuss. When I tethered using DslrRemoteHD through my laptop any misstep with the camera would crash app on my laptop.
One nice thing is if you accidentally turn the camera off, the app reconnects without a fuss. When I tethered using DslrRemoteHD through my laptop any misstep with the camera would crash app on my laptop.
jschrader
Well-known
reparability D600
reparability D600
It may have been this site?
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nikon+D600+Teardown/10708/1
If You go through that, You may decide to buy an M3 ??
reparability D600
It may have been this site?
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nikon+D600+Teardown/10708/1
If You go through that, You may decide to buy an M3 ??
jschrader
Well-known
the oil issue
the oil issue
The comments about shutters spitting oil further upstream this thread solved one enigma:
To clean dust from the sensor in my D700, I bought a tin of compressed air; when I blew into the mirror box, with the shutter open, there suddenly was some grease or something I could not understand on the sensor. Desparately I brought it to a service and they managed to clean it, thank god.
This may well have been oil from the shutter, mixed with condensed air humidity (the expanding gas is very cold).
I have been using the compressed air from time to time later and had no problems any more. Possibly, the excess oil was all washed out?
the oil issue
The comments about shutters spitting oil further upstream this thread solved one enigma:
To clean dust from the sensor in my D700, I bought a tin of compressed air; when I blew into the mirror box, with the shutter open, there suddenly was some grease or something I could not understand on the sensor. Desparately I brought it to a service and they managed to clean it, thank god.
This may well have been oil from the shutter, mixed with condensed air humidity (the expanding gas is very cold).
I have been using the compressed air from time to time later and had no problems any more. Possibly, the excess oil was all washed out?
palmerfralick
Established
If you just want to be able to meter the legacy lenses, and you don't want to upgrade your computer, I would recommend the D200. VERY inexpensive. 10mp but a nice rugged camera. I bought one because my primary shooter is an Epson RD-1x and they compliment each other nicely. And I have a G4 Mac so I know what you mean about file bog. And I am poor.
ray*j*gun
Veteran
Never use Dust off on a sensor.....far too much pressure and there def are propellents in the stream.... also never shake the can before using....don't ask me how I know this.
ray*j*gun
Veteran
Thanks for the come back I will look into that ..... could be the answer.
bigeye
Well-known
Raymond: search eBay for "fotodiox hasselblad Nikon adapter". They run about $40 and are built adequately. Your 80/2.8 should work nicely with on your d90, but you have no info from the lens, so exposure is by chimping and histogram and manual mode only, then stopping down the lens manually. The FE doesn't care what's hanging on the front and will match needle meter fine, open, then stop down ( you don't need a handheld meter). I have seen chipped versions, but I have 3 lenses and would have to program it at each change... This would be easier with cameras that can be programmed for no-chip lenses.
Contrast, distortion and corner sharpness are clearly better with the the ZV 60mm/3.5 vs. 50mm 1.4D Nikon at all apertures, for example. Walking by, unsolicited(!), wife remarked how much better the images were.
Charlie
ray*j*gun
Veteran
Thanks Charlie!! I have found the adapter your discussing and for that price I am going to give it a try. Should look freaky and cool with that giant silver lens hanging onto my Nikon F.
bigeye
Well-known
FWIW: My completely unscientific comparison. 100% crops, shot at 'best' apertures (results were similar at all apertures, though. All from RAW with with LR4 "70" on sharpening, cropped and resized to match, saved in jpg.
50mm 1.4D @ f4 (tripod, mirror up, 15' distance)
HB 60mm f3.5 CF @ f5.6 w/f-mount adapter on D90
For fun, Canon S100 @ 55mm equiv. & f4.5
My view of it all:
The Zeiss glass is great, even on a strange camera. Very slow in use, good for landscapes. The Zeiss lens lost a little bit of contrast wide open (f3.5), but still had more than the Nikkor @ f4. Hanging the Z glass on the Nikon is worth $40.
The full sized Nikon image is still pretty good, but doesn't look as nice in direct comparison.
The obsolete, miniature S100 is hilariously good for what it is. Brings me back to the conclusion that I'd rather take a good picture with the S100 than mediocre ones with the 'blad or Nikon. It reassures me that this technical stuff hardly matters.
- Charlie
50mm 1.4D @ f4 (tripod, mirror up, 15' distance)
HB 60mm f3.5 CF @ f5.6 w/f-mount adapter on D90
For fun, Canon S100 @ 55mm equiv. & f4.5
My view of it all:
The Zeiss glass is great, even on a strange camera. Very slow in use, good for landscapes. The Zeiss lens lost a little bit of contrast wide open (f3.5), but still had more than the Nikkor @ f4. Hanging the Z glass on the Nikon is worth $40.
The full sized Nikon image is still pretty good, but doesn't look as nice in direct comparison.
The obsolete, miniature S100 is hilariously good for what it is. Brings me back to the conclusion that I'd rather take a good picture with the S100 than mediocre ones with the 'blad or Nikon. It reassures me that this technical stuff hardly matters.
- Charlie
Bike Tourist
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Lots of chatter about D600's "dust issue". Actually, mine is no different than any other Nikon I've owned. The low pass filter needs cleaning once-in-a-while. No problem. The IQ is outstanding. The high ISO capabilities are wonderful. 24mp is just right on a quality vs. storage space ratio, at least for me.