Margu
Established
i have a few photo books, by very famous photographers, they have graphic images of suffering caused by war and other calamities. but the problem is that i don't feel like looking at those photos. once i have seen them, i no longer feel like looking at them again.
similarly, happy photos of parades and people laughing and having fun is even more boring, unless its personal and family -- it holds no interest.
the question arises about a magical middle ground where photography thrives. when a photo is not sad or happy, when a photo is neither interesting nor boring, when a photo is neither beautiful nor ugly. i guess when photos have a real quality to them.
which are some photographers who can be considered that have straddled this magical middle ground of photography?
similarly, happy photos of parades and people laughing and having fun is even more boring, unless its personal and family -- it holds no interest.
the question arises about a magical middle ground where photography thrives. when a photo is not sad or happy, when a photo is neither interesting nor boring, when a photo is neither beautiful nor ugly. i guess when photos have a real quality to them.
which are some photographers who can be considered that have straddled this magical middle ground of photography?
There is no one size fits all answer to this.
Sejanus.Aelianus
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Agreed. Moreover, it all depends on what you regard as the extremes.
cz23
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Among the less well-known, three that I go back to periodically are Walt Odets, Carl Sander Socolow, and the personal work of Prabuddha Dasgupta.
No great drama in any of them. Just well-constructed images of ordinary life, which is what I like best.
John
No great drama in any of them. Just well-constructed images of ordinary life, which is what I like best.
John
mfogiel
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HCB is the place to start, in my opinion. If you like photos, that concentrate more on people, and less on perfect compositions, then the whole stream of humanist photographers is your playground. If you eliminate strictly war photographers from this list, most of them are fitting your description:
http://www.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?VP3=CMS3&VF=MAGO31_14
http://www.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?VP3=CMS3&VF=MAGO31_14
NY_Dan
Well-known
We already have a happy middle ground where 99.9 percent of all photographers labor -- cat photos!
Seriously, photos run the gamut of what we see, so there can be no middle ground except for when we see things that fall into a neither fish nor fowl categorization.
You just have a general malaise (which we all succumb to from time to time) and have to wait for it to pass.
As for photographers who exhibit Chūdan-no-kamae: Click here
Seriously, photos run the gamut of what we see, so there can be no middle ground except for when we see things that fall into a neither fish nor fowl categorization.
You just have a general malaise (which we all succumb to from time to time) and have to wait for it to pass.
As for photographers who exhibit Chūdan-no-kamae: Click here
Lauffray
Invisible Cities
I'd also say it depends on the viewer as well and their ability for empathy, the same picture might move someone but leave someone else indifferent. Also don't forget that photos who have a more personal value obviously hold a higher emotional charge.
(tragic faraway conflict photo vs sad family moment for example)
(tragic faraway conflict photo vs sad family moment for example)
lawrence
Veteran
I couldn't agree more with this and it's the reason why I never buy books of war photography. Once you've 'got the message' why would you want to look at such photographs again? Aesthetic pleasure? Surely not.
Don't agree, there are some great photographs of people laughing. Taking two of HCB's as an example: 'Lock at Bougival, France. 1955', a photo of a mother on a barge holding her baby and 'Rue Mouffetard, Paris. 1954', which is the famous shot of a boy carry a couple of bottles of wine. No schmaltz in sight.
You mean photographers of the every day scene whose photographs somehow transcend that scene to give us what might be called 'art'? Personally I'd start with Atget, Walker Evans or Robert Frank.
J.Paul
J.Paul
Margu,
This is an interesting subject. There are some few conflict/disaster photographers who make beautiful photographs which happen to be about war and like subjects.
Perhaps overused as examples might be Salgado, or Eugene Smith who have made images which were poetic in their presentation but were subjects living in great hardship. But that is true for many others who have found a way to create a transcendent quality in their work in many other genres of photography.
I think that quality that is outside of an image that speaks to a higher awareness or reality than just the image itself. To me that is the magical photograph which is timeless.
It will be interesting to find and look at the work of this kind of photographer that Margu has brought up.
This is an interesting subject. There are some few conflict/disaster photographers who make beautiful photographs which happen to be about war and like subjects.
Perhaps overused as examples might be Salgado, or Eugene Smith who have made images which were poetic in their presentation but were subjects living in great hardship. But that is true for many others who have found a way to create a transcendent quality in their work in many other genres of photography.
I think that quality that is outside of an image that speaks to a higher awareness or reality than just the image itself. To me that is the magical photograph which is timeless.
It will be interesting to find and look at the work of this kind of photographer that Margu has brought up.
zeshootist
Member
I also have a limit when it comes to looking at suffering, as does Salgado himself, as evident in his TED Talk.
For something less heavy, yet incredible, I recommend Edouard Boubat's The Monograph.
For something less heavy, yet incredible, I recommend Edouard Boubat's The Monograph.
thegman
Veteran
I agree that I have no desire to look at the suffering of others.
I'd say Ansel Adams and work like his is neither happy nor sad. It errs on the happy side a little perhaps, as the scenes are often so beautiful. But really, they are expertly taken, and developed photos of things I'm happy to look at time and time again.
Richard G
Veteran
Beautiful and ugly at the same time. That interests me. I had always thought this of Leonardo's Ginevra de Benci, and was intrigued to find Tarkovsky interested in this duality as exemplified by that particular painting.
David Bailey in the recent BBC interviews describes certain portraits of his being hated by the sitter. Years later they ask for a copy, insisting that they not only like it after all, but that it is the only photograph of them that they now do like. "I just don't look like that." they had told him. "You will." he assures them. And they did.
David Bailey in the recent BBC interviews describes certain portraits of his being hated by the sitter. Years later they ask for a copy, insisting that they not only like it after all, but that it is the only photograph of them that they now do like. "I just don't look like that." they had told him. "You will." he assures them. And they did.
Out to Lunch
Ventor
Try the work of August Sander
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...tripbooks,607&rh=i:stripbooks,k:august sander
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...tripbooks,607&rh=i:stripbooks,k:august sander
Chris101
summicronia
Margu
Established
in my own view, the only photographer that fits in what i described as the middle path of photography in my original post is Eugene Atget
RichC
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darya151
Established
Thank you for posting Magnum link. Beautiful, wrenching, thought provoking. I have book marked it. There's a great deal to learn from.
Darya151
Darya151
tomtofa
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Personally I'd add Erwitt to the list. Doesn't often get too close to the extremes; ranges around widely in the middle territory.
Of course he can often be sardonic or ironic. More than Atget, anyway.
Of course he can often be sardonic or ironic. More than Atget, anyway.
Rikard
Established
I don't think that sad/happy has anything to do with it. A boring photo, however spectacular it might be, shows too much and leaves all questions answered. At least that's the case for me.
Photo_Smith
Well-known
People photographs that aren't sad, or that show joy.
Try David Bailey, sometimes visually challenging not sad.
Or Brassai, pictures of Paris.
Bill Brandt Nudes and some images of British life.
HCB-of course.
Bert Hardy, the picture post images.
Always makes me smile
Try David Bailey, sometimes visually challenging not sad.
Or Brassai, pictures of Paris.
Bill Brandt Nudes and some images of British life.
HCB-of course.
Bert Hardy, the picture post images.
Always makes me smile