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[back alley]

i think the level of moderation here is pretty light.
i don't believe in being heavy handed or having alot of rules and i think that has worked here so far.

this is an international meeting place and i doubt we will ever be all things to all people.

joe

 

[mal]

You have a tough job, joe. I'm envisaging the totally politically correct world and it's terrifying. Free thought is far more important.

 

[George S.]

We can debate the pros and cons of allowing a "prolific" poster such as Frank the free reign to post as much as he wants (almost) whatever he wants, but one thing, make that two things are certain-

1. The moderators here are fair and have genuine concern for the feelings and rights of all, and have treated me and others, with fairness and respect.

2.- Frank G. was not banned. He is even allowed back if he so wishes. It's HIS choice. If he wants to stomp his feet and punish us all by leaving, I say- "Bye-Bye!" What we should not do, is beat up each other over this and possibly cause more bad feelings. We should all move on.

That said, what I AM concerned about is Frank has already attempted to post under different names, and actually has posted as a "guest". He did this repeatedly at PNET in an attempt to attack the site and cause a continuing ruckus there, and some of his guest names were indeed troubling, such as "Jack Meoff", et al.

 

[Todd.Hanz]

in honor of his departure please allow me a few words, a kind of "Suessism" if you will......

some people here may not like Frank G,
some with him may not agree,
but though he has gone, though he is toast
he is now the topic of a three page post!



looks like he has the last laugh! 😀

Todd

 

[ray_g]

Very *sharp* Todd. 😉

 

[Gabriel M.A.]

I don't like this; looks like many of us missed lots of things. Again, like I said before, I think we should let this one go.

Todd -- A rhyming line you missed / was that by many still / FrankG will sure be missed / more pages follow will

(sorry for the repetitive repetition -- lit. license) 😉

 

[wtl]

You appear to have taken a dislike to me, wtl. This is not the first time you've criticised my postings. If you don't like the chat that goes on between decent, friendly people, you don't have to read it.

Not really. I don't know you and don't remember your user name to determine if I have done the similar thing to you before.

After all, if "friendly" only to one person instead of a group of people, as your message indicates, the PM function will be more effictive.

 

[taffer]

I've been out of town and offline since friday and found this today when coming back, way odd and it took me a while to figure out what was happening 😕

As Gabriel says, maybe we're building a castle over wetlands before drying them... wait, that was Monty Python's Holy Grail, but anyway...

Many times when I don't really have an idea of what to do next with something, I just go to sleep and hope things will get magically solved the next morning 🙂 Surprisingly, it has worked well a lot of times !

In a very strange analogy, maybe it would be a good idea to do the same with this, since maybe we're coming up to very strong conclusions too soon...

I for sure will be heading to bed in a few minutes...

The fact that it's past midnight here may also have something to do with that 😉

Everybody out there, take care, and drive safely.

Oscar

 

[RayPA]

I've never had a problem with this guy, except his occassional transparent posts that were always aimed at baiting people and creating a division. That was easy enough to ignore.

I've been on this site for over a year and I have never read a post where one member has told another to "shove it up his a**". Unacceptable, IMO, and not deserving of membership.

If he's gone, then for that reason alone I say 'good riddance.'

I read a post several months ago that predicted this very outcome. He had the power to prove that prediction wrong. His actions are his responsibility alone. It's not the situation, it's how you respond to it.


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[RJBender]

I've never had a problem with this guy, except his occassional transparent posts that were always aimed at baiting people and creating a division. That was easy enough to ignore.

I've been on this site for over a year and I have never read a post where one member has told another to "shove it up his a**". Unacceptable, IMO, and not deserving of membership.
If he's gone, then for that reason alone I say 'good riddance.'

I read a post several months ago that predicted this very outcome. He had the power to prove that prediction wrong. His actions are his responsibility alone. It's not the situation, it's how you respond to it.


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I agree, Ray. On one of the other threads that was deleted, I posted "I hope someday RFF has a zero tolerance policy towards this type of language." I'm glad that day has come. Thanks, Jorge et al.

R.J.

 

[George S.]

That post would probably have been mine.. 😀 But I'm not going to say "I told you so." 😉

I read a post several months ago that predicted this very outcome. He had the power to prove that prediction wrong. His actions are his responsibility alone. It's not the situation, it's how you respond to it.
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[Bertram2]

After all, if "friendly" only to one person instead of a group of people, as your message indicates, the PM function will be more effictive.

Depends on the purpose the message shall serve.

bertram

 

[MSader]

My husband is not the person some of you describe. He is a calm, kind and caring individual. Throughout the years he has helped our local community, from sending less fortunate children to summer camp, raising money for a cat shelter and offering his video services to those who cannot afford it. In 2000 he received the Good Neighbour Award. To set the record straight, he was upset the moderator would not put a stop to the personal attacks directed at him. When he lost his cool, one time, he is the one who is dealt with.

 

[Bertram2]

You appear to have taken a dislike to me, wtl. This is not the first time you've criticised my postings. If you don't like the chat that goes on between decent, friendly people, you don't have to read it.

The suggestion simply not to read your stuff if one does not like it is neither decent nor friendly , it's is plain arrogance.
Related to what sort of discussion style you demand, your own manners leave to desire a lot.

bertram

 

[Doug]

Thanks for your comments, Mariya (did I spell your name right; it looks too short?)... I'm sure he's a fine and caring person in his "real life" community, and he's left friendly helpful comments in the gallery here too. He may be more provocative in conversations here than in face-to-face conversations, and this is not unusual. There's a distancing effect online that affects people differently. I sensed that he was trying to "be nice" but had a hard time controlling an impish temptation from time to time to stir things up a little. I believe this irked and offended folks, and the annoyance showed. Unfortunate result, and now many of us are feeling on edge I think. Best wishes to you both!

 

[Andy K]

IMO this whole episode seems to show there is a core group of members who consider themselves 'untouchables', who spend most of their time 'sucking up' to moderator(s) and who will gang up on and attempt to drive from RFF, anyone with an opinion different from theirs. I have been on the receiving end of such behaviour, now Frank. I predict this will continue with people being denounced as 'trolling' by the 'in crowd' every time they don't like what is being said.
As for no-one saying 'shove it up your a**'. I have had much worse said to me by a couple of the RFF 'in crowd'. As an example I have had one person even sink so low as to ignore the discussion at hand and attack my photography, "Strong words coming from a person with a dip$hit assortment of pictures and raving about his technique...", a comment which was ignored by moderation. Personally I couldn't give a gnat's fart what anyone thinks of my photography, but I haven't seen such behaviour on any other photographic website.
So to all who are throwing stones I suggest there needs to be a lot of looking in mirrors here on RFF.

IMO.

 

[Jocko]

Andy, I'm bewildered by this kind of post. No-one is compelled to be a member here and equally, no-one has a God-given right. I think there is just a general irritation with an increasing tendency to use RFF as a forum for flirting, political posing, national/ideological spats, bullying diatribes and selfish mischief-making.

I assume there are other sites for people to do that.

 

[rover]

Now, all ya all love to talk and stuff, but lets move past this.

Simply put, the roll of the moderator at this point in time is to prevent threads from getting ugly, and if they do turn bad, then we will close/delete/whatever to the thread and deal with the members if that is necessary.

This thread is right on the line. Let's move on, you all have to agree to disagree some times and draw the line yourselves when you know your comments are getting pointed.

Jocko is correct, there are places on the internet for all of your comments and actions. This one is here for photography.

 

[Andy K]

I have just received the following PM from a 'moderator'. It seems that any free opinion is not welcome on RFF and will get you accused of a 'vendetta'. As for the ant-US comment, that is complete and utter nonsense. I made a point that I do not like American wine and only use it for cooking, and for that I am accused of being anti-US?
No 'old boys' eh? But definitely moderators who will take sides.
So this is the future of RFF? Have an opinion that a moderator disagrees with and they will threaten you with banning?
I am definitely beginning to understand where Frank was coming from.

Andy,
For your information there is no "favoured few" or net of old boys. No members are permitted free rein and I and the other moderators or, as in this case, Jorge as owner of the board will take the appropriate action.

I have asked you to stop the vendetta and I also now ask you to stop the anti US feeling. Your thread in the Dig/Film debate was trollish and confrontational. Not my only my view but most of the people who replied. The thread that you re-started whe that was locked attracted little interest and turned to wine. Comments such that American wine is only fit for cooking, is not likely to endear you to other members. As a matter of interest, another member started a thread on the topic you seemed determined to address such as the benefits of digital as opposed to film. You were remarkably absent from that thread despite all your messages to me that you just wanted to discuss the matter in a sensible way. The evidence would point the other way, you ignored it! I accept that your posts are not profane but they are very provocative. If you want that type of conversation, I suggest you go to Pnet. If you continue in this vein, I will put a stop to it by banning you.

I have copied this to the other moderators as well for information.

Kim

 

[VinceC]

With wine, as with film, it's very important to pay attention to the date on the box.