Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
One more time, here is no Yashica anymore and for some time already.
It is hard to believe for some what mobile phone sensor based camera with fixed focus lens is now Yashica. Well, here is nothing new here. Just another Minox...
The picture is very philosophical. With half of the glass classic.
Or may be she just can't finish it.
It is hard to believe for some what mobile phone sensor based camera with fixed focus lens is now Yashica. Well, here is nothing new here. Just another Minox...
The picture is very philosophical. With half of the glass classic.
Or may be she just can't finish it.
nukecoke
⚛Yashica
Well, those arty youth in Asia (sigh) are highly fond of such style.
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B0%8F%E6%B8%85%E6%96%B0
There is no English page for this term, yet.
"5 selectable steps shutter speeds 1s, 1/30s, 1/60s, 1/250s, 1/500s"
This is really against Electro 35. It should have an aperture ring instead of shutter speed control.
Axel
singleshooter
Corran
Well-known
No, they did it right. With the sensor size as it is, there will be plenty DOF wide open, and stopping down in any appreciable amount will instantly be into diffraction territory. Look at cell phone photos - they mostly manipulate ISO and shutter speed for exposure and stay near optimal aperture for best performance.
Spanik
Well-known
Sure, but then why stating it has 5 shutter speeds and that you need to change iso by changing the digifilm? Something doesn't make sense exposurewise.
I do agree that there might be a possible market for a very simple digital camera that is neither a toy nor a very expensive luxury. Unfortunately this isn't it.
Corran
Well-known
Frankly I think the ISO part of their pitch is completely misleading and not factual.
There is no way their product has a "base" ISO of 200, with the other cartridges pushing that up to 400 or 1600. From what I have seen of daylight images from cell phones, ISO is usually in the range of 25 or 32. That's where the s/n ratio is best, and then of course the lens is shooting at those wider apertures for best performance before diffraction and the shutter speed is fast (electronic shutter of course). My assumption is that the ISO numbers are simply roundabout ways of saying "low ISO, cleaner images" and "higher ISO, grainier images," or perhaps even just "fake grain added to the image to make it look like Tri-X pushed to 1600" or something to that effect.
None of the images provided are actually from the camera (clearly, as seen by the DOF), so it's impossible to say what the actual exposure data is, so I could be totally wrong. And I don't have an iPhone to actually look at files to check what the typical exposure is outside, inside, etc. This is just what I am assuming based on what I've seen. The shutter speeds are possibly some sort of "forced" shutter speed priority mode, which would actually be pretty cool. I wish I could force my phone to do a 1 second exposure in low light braced against something, rather than trying to shoot a normal shutter speed with high ISO and therefore bad noise.
I hope they will give more details but we'll see. I'm still in for it at the low price of the 24h Kickstarter sale. At worst my wife will probably have fun with it when we go out and I'm shooting 4x5 film.
There is no way their product has a "base" ISO of 200, with the other cartridges pushing that up to 400 or 1600. From what I have seen of daylight images from cell phones, ISO is usually in the range of 25 or 32. That's where the s/n ratio is best, and then of course the lens is shooting at those wider apertures for best performance before diffraction and the shutter speed is fast (electronic shutter of course). My assumption is that the ISO numbers are simply roundabout ways of saying "low ISO, cleaner images" and "higher ISO, grainier images," or perhaps even just "fake grain added to the image to make it look like Tri-X pushed to 1600" or something to that effect.
None of the images provided are actually from the camera (clearly, as seen by the DOF), so it's impossible to say what the actual exposure data is, so I could be totally wrong. And I don't have an iPhone to actually look at files to check what the typical exposure is outside, inside, etc. This is just what I am assuming based on what I've seen. The shutter speeds are possibly some sort of "forced" shutter speed priority mode, which would actually be pretty cool. I wish I could force my phone to do a 1 second exposure in low light braced against something, rather than trying to shoot a normal shutter speed with high ISO and therefore bad noise.
I hope they will give more details but we'll see. I'm still in for it at the low price of the 24h Kickstarter sale. At worst my wife will probably have fun with it when we go out and I'm shooting 4x5 film.
ptpdprinter
Veteran
Why would your wife shoot with the Yashica instead of her phone?
I admit I don't "get" a lot of things, but this one is a real headscratcher for me. I wish someone could describe the intended demographic. I would have thought it would have been marketed by Fisher Price at Toys'R'Us for $14.99.
Corran
Well-known
Neither of us have the latest and greatest in phones. Her phone is several years old and complete garbage. I would bet this makes better images. I am sure I/we are in the minority - I can not stand Apple's products, especially the iPhone, which may have a better camera.
But it's also a much different experience. Having a viewfinder of some type is great as I can not stand holding my phone and taking a photo. I also am frequently shooting knee-deep in water or on a cliff, etc., so holding out my phone and stabbing at it with a finger is a recipe for disaster...
Also my wife oftentimes leaves her phone at home or the battery runs out, when we go take an evening walk.
Again, we might be an anachronism with regard to this vs. phone.
Nothing wrong with not "getting" it but I think the backlash here is a little silly...obviously I'm not selling my M9 after getting this (when it comes back from repair!). I don't "get" people shooting subminiature cameras seriously. I don't "get" people shooting landscapes seriously with 35mm as opposed to MF/LF, as a comparison to "big sensor vs. tiny sensor." But it's all good. One can interact with photography in many ways. One can even be a very serious photographer/pro, and then just shoot casually like a hobbyist the next day, IMO.
But it's also a much different experience. Having a viewfinder of some type is great as I can not stand holding my phone and taking a photo. I also am frequently shooting knee-deep in water or on a cliff, etc., so holding out my phone and stabbing at it with a finger is a recipe for disaster...
Also my wife oftentimes leaves her phone at home or the battery runs out, when we go take an evening walk.
Again, we might be an anachronism with regard to this vs. phone.
Nothing wrong with not "getting" it but I think the backlash here is a little silly...obviously I'm not selling my M9 after getting this (when it comes back from repair!). I don't "get" people shooting subminiature cameras seriously. I don't "get" people shooting landscapes seriously with 35mm as opposed to MF/LF, as a comparison to "big sensor vs. tiny sensor." But it's all good. One can interact with photography in many ways. One can even be a very serious photographer/pro, and then just shoot casually like a hobbyist the next day, IMO.
Photog9000
Well-known
They could put red dots all over it and it would not promote any interest from me. But I am still considering going back to film in my retirement and picking up an M3 and 50mm Summicron!
xayraa33
rangefinder user and fancier
They could put red dots all over it and it would not promote any interest from me. But I am still considering going back to film in my retirement and picking up an M3 and 50mm Summicron!
Maybe not from you or me either, but that red dot will be hard to resist for many.
I too am happy with my M3 and M2 and the Barnacks and their Japaneses clones and even with my RF Kiev 35mm cameras.
But I give this new Yashica consortium A+ for trying something different than the usual point and shoot or digital SLR camera.
ptpdprinter
Veteran
It worked with the Sofort.
ptpdprinter
Veteran
So this is the digital camera you would take with you when you were knee deep in water or on a cliff?
Corran
Well-known
Mostly shoot MF and 4x5 film. Tripod. I'm not sure what you don't get - stabbing at a phone to take a photo (I sometimes do this for reference photos or Instagram stuff) means you have a one-handed grip on a thin, light phone while exerting a force onto it perpendicular to your grip. Obviously this is a bit different than a two-handed grip on a camera held close to your body. Simple physics. And by the number of people with shattered screens can attest...this is a potential problem!
Huss
Veteran
I hate cameras with no VFs. I hate ones that just have a screen - whether using a phone or whatever Fuji etc that doesn't have a VF.
So I'd prefer using this than that.
Of course, I prefer using the cameras I already have - with vfs and real cartridges that have different ISO and film settings. Otherwise known as film.
santino
FSU gear head
Wow... digifilm replaces the obsolete ISO dial and image presets...
It's almost as useful as Ned Flanders Leftorium - the coffee mug for left handed People etc.
It's almost as useful as Ned Flanders Leftorium - the coffee mug for left handed People etc.
BillBingham2
Registered User
Nope, it cost too much and I doubt the IQ will be sufficient (I don't do cliffs often).
B2 (;->
BillBingham2
Registered User
I have two......
Left hands that is......
and I'm right handed.......:bang:or at least it feels that way some days
B2 (;->
So, people are hurt that this version of Yashica didn't make the digital rangefinder that we all knew wouldn't be made?
rcubed
Canadian
So many detractors and yet they are at 700%+ of their goal. Lol
For $150, I dont have much to lose to try this out. (Well.. other than $150. lol)
For $150, I dont have much to lose to try this out. (Well.. other than $150. lol)
ptpdprinter
Veteran
The goal is entirely arbitrary. Setting it is a marketing decision.