Huss
Veteran
I really wanted it to work out in that stone age utilitarian way. Something so simple and basic had to be solid, right? Even the film door was just a friction fit. And this was a new item, a special commemorative edition no less! So this would be la creme de la creme!
Wellll ...no.
Guess i just gotta go back to using my 60th Anniversary Rolleiflex 2.8 GX. Jeesh.
Peter Jennings
Well-known
Got a Werra 3 recently and was excited about it. Thought I’d found a unknown gem. For a 50s camera, it looked so modern and innovative. After getting it I really wanted to like it, but was just too disappointed with the crappy rangefinder and noisy shutter. I shot one roll with it and just had no desire at all to shoot another. The pictures were great, though!
Huss
Veteran
Nah the knobs on my Fm2 feels rock solid in comparison. Same with the Fe2, F , F2 etc
Ronald M
Veteran
Mamiya 645, and Mamiya c330, Mamiya RB67. Could never get into medium format. It just seemed a clunky compromise between my prefered 35mm Nikon/Leica and 4x5 Sinar.
Just my opinion, not trolling, I know others will disagree, and more power to ya if you enjoy it.
Same. Maybe if I had a Hassy or Rollie SLR. Used a 500C once. Not pleased.
Zone 6 4x5 is honey
Timmyjoe
Veteran
One man's nightmare . . .
I just love the Df. Only use non-AI & AI lenses with mine. Have the magnifying eyepiece and have no problem with focus, even with these 60 year old eyes. Love the feel of the dials & knobs. Don't know about the auto-focus performance because I don't use AF lenses. And I love the D4 sensor on the Df just as much as I love it on my D4.
Best,
-Tim
Huss
Veteran
Not sure how the magnifying eyepiece helps as the focus screen is only accurate down to about f2.8.
Any wider than that is hit and miss.
Nikon should have put in a proper screen with split image and microprism. Or at least matched the mf performance of the much older F6, which is much more accurate than the DF. They didn't because they sourced the cheaper hardware from the D600.
p.s. your Day 24 Heart of Darkness photo is something else. Reminds me of Brando in Apocalypse Now. I mean that respectfully and from an artistic POV.
David Hughes
David Hughes
Hmmm, it would help if we knew about all the cameras; some might have been brand new, some refurbished by the factory, some refurbished by the seller (as ebay say) and some bought from a bloke in the pub or worse...
I'd shudder if they all turned out to be brand new.
Regards, David
I'd shudder if they all turned out to be brand new.
Regards, David
DownUnder
Nikon Nomad
Anything digital indeed!
Anything digital indeed!
+1. No - +100! After a decade years of being seriously into digital, and a major investment in several top-level D cameras, first Canon, then Nikon, I too am finding that I feel the same.
For technical reasons, the gremlins have done me in! I find I cannot post anything beyond the first two sentences (I tried to edit the rest but left the original two unedited). I will return and try to post later - have saved a copy.
I find if I type without posting for longer than a few minutes, the system some how logs me out. I then have to log in again, and of course my edited post(s) vanish into the outer universe...
Probably something I do wrong... If so, apologies.
Anything digital indeed!
+1. No - +100! After a decade years of being seriously into digital, and a major investment in several top-level D cameras, first Canon, then Nikon, I too am finding that I feel the same.
For technical reasons, the gremlins have done me in! I find I cannot post anything beyond the first two sentences (I tried to edit the rest but left the original two unedited). I will return and try to post later - have saved a copy.
I find if I type without posting for longer than a few minutes, the system some how logs me out. I then have to log in again, and of course my edited post(s) vanish into the outer universe...
Probably something I do wrong... If so, apologies.
Chuffed Cheese
Established
F3HP. Just felt incorrect in hand and the controls were counter-intuitive for me.
Timmyjoe
Veteran
I think this is a case of YMMV. I use a 35mm f2.0, 50mm f1.4 and even my 50mm f1.2, wide open with my Df and though I may occasionally miss focus, the same thing happens for me with the same lenses on my F6. I don't own a D850 so can't comment on how that works, but of the Nikon DSLR's that I own, the only two I can reliably manually focus are the Df and the D700, I find them both pretty similar. Can't manually focus to save my soul on my D4, and was never so good with my D100 either.
Thanks for the kind words on that image. It's where I was at that stage of treatment, and when I downloaded the image from my M8, it did remind me of that iconic shot of Brando.
Best,
-Tim
css9450
Veteran
That would be the camera world's equivalent to buying a Trabant, and finding it a disappointment.
Canyongazer
Canyongazer
Sony NEX7
Baffling menu, even after months getting "used to it" , which I never did.
Clumsy user interface
Had to sell it...doubly frustrating 'cause the photographic results produced by this camera were excellent.
Baffling menu, even after months getting "used to it" , which I never did.
Clumsy user interface
Had to sell it...doubly frustrating 'cause the photographic results produced by this camera were excellent.
Gid
Well-known
Fuji X Pro 2. There is a lot to like, but ultimately I found the image quality disappointing - lots of instances of waxy skin that doesn't disappear when processing raw. Raw processed in Lightroom, Silkypix and Fuji's X Raw studio. I've now gone back to an X Pro 1.
rumbliegeos
Well-known
Like some of the other posters on this page, I never liked the Nikon F3. The film wind was certainly smooth, but I thought the metering readout and the metering pattern were much less useful than the equivalents on my F2A. And I do not use AE much.
Timmyjoe
Veteran
Agree with you Gerry, never bonded with the Nikon F3. Doesn't help that I bought mine used and right in the middle of a project the electronics went belly up and that was that. Actually, except for the partial roll of film wasted, I wasn't all that disappointed. Went back to my Nikon F and finished the project.
Best,
-Tim
Best,
-Tim
rhl-oregon
Cameras Guitars Wonders
This thread ought to be required reading for anyone joining RFF, especially those with GAS impulse control problems, before they dive into the Classifieds then wander astray (FM Buy and Sell, Get DPI Buy and Sell, eBay, Craigslist...).
Maybe the moderators can make it a front-page sticky with an "I Agree" pop-up where you check off "I have read about all the terrible gear choices and subsequent heartbreak suffered by my elders and betters in this forum, and accept responsibility for repeating their GASeous errors."
As for me, a tendency to fetishize desires and purchases (camera gear, but not only that) has led me in a gradual meandering twisted tangled fashion to wisdom. Yes, you can become wise, trying too much gear in multiple formats that gives indistinguishable results when the shooter and the shot is good (and ditto, when the shot is bad but the shooter believes the gear will transcend his limitations!). I've tried a fair chunk of gear mentioned in this thread, and had fun with everything, Olympus, Nikon, Leica, Fuji, old Zeiss, etc....
Wait! There was the Kiev 4A whose abraded focus wheel ripped my index finger, the Jupiter lens with focus harder to move than Sisyphus's stone, the body leaky as a sieve. But that wasn't over-rated kit! (Not generally under-rated either; the online caveats abounded.) I just couldn't afford a Nikon S2 yet, but later, when I could, I made that error of judgment too. I rarely met a camera I didn't like that didn't also have its true believers here, and since photography is not now and never will be my business, I guess I can afford my foolish avoidable mistakes.
These days I run a day-care for aging cameras in a nice cabinet in a wall-papered study. I've seen it all, they tell each other, and I came from good people, I could have been a contender at Magnum, etcetera. They wish they could get out more, but the ******* who runs the place has eyes only for his RX1, his M-D 262, his Sigma SDQ. So it goes.
Huss
Veteran
That would be the camera world's equivalent to buying a Trabant, and finding it a disappointment.
That is one sexy car.
Huss
Veteran
All this F3 hate!
I have two mint ones - F3P and F3 Limited. What I don't like about them is the film wind lever. Much has been made about how smooth and light they are because they are on bearings or some such thing.. I hate it. It feels loose and floppy to me. But the cameras are transformed with the MD4 motordrive. Sure it becomes a ridiculous massive thing, but the handling is so good, and it makes it so much fun to use.
Also these models are made with real metal (titanium) so the prisms don't dent like a soda can. Seriously I have never seen as many dented heads on any camera as I have seen with the F3.
The super toight 80/20 meter pattern is groovy, the basic manual meter readouts not so much. And that flash sync speed? What is this, a Leica m3?!
I have two mint ones - F3P and F3 Limited. What I don't like about them is the film wind lever. Much has been made about how smooth and light they are because they are on bearings or some such thing.. I hate it. It feels loose and floppy to me. But the cameras are transformed with the MD4 motordrive. Sure it becomes a ridiculous massive thing, but the handling is so good, and it makes it so much fun to use.
Also these models are made with real metal (titanium) so the prisms don't dent like a soda can. Seriously I have never seen as many dented heads on any camera as I have seen with the F3.
The super toight 80/20 meter pattern is groovy, the basic manual meter readouts not so much. And that flash sync speed? What is this, a Leica m3?!
littleearth
Well-known
Contax T2 ! Didn't like how it felt in the hands. The viewfinder is tiny and the results were just ok.
Robert Lai
Well-known
You guys are hurting my delicate feelings with all this Nikon F3 hate, and Mamiya TLR antipathy.
I've had an F3 for over 35 years (bought it in 1983), and now an F3T.
It has always been reliable, the meter pattern has always been predictable. Auto exposure is spot on. I could always trust this camera to bring back the images. It has battery issues in cold weather, solved with the MD-4 and the NiCd battery back MN-2. I never dented my F3's prism either.
For dented prisms, I note that the Rolleiflex prisms seem to always have been in a demolition derby of some sort. It's rare to see one without some huge dent or crease in the prism body. There is a risk of element separation with the prism also.
Having been a Rolleiflex snob for a while, the Minolta Autocord and especially the Mamiyaflex C2 and C220 have opened my eyes as to what less expensive cameras can do. I find the Mamiya TLRs to be very versatile. Ok, they aren't as exquisitely finished as the Rolleiflex. But, a Toyota is still excellent and works great, even if it isn't finished like a Mercedes Benz. The Mamiya TLRs are super cheap, and the lenses are first class. I usually take out the Autocord or Mamiya TLRs outdoors. Less financial risk than bringing out a near mint white face Rolleiflex.
As for other people's disappointments -
Fuji medium format cameras give me first class results.
These include the folders: GS645, and the GF670.
The GF670 uses CR2 batteries that are apparently hard to find outside the USA. I ran out of batteries in Toronto, Canada, and could not find any place that would sell this battery.
Anyway, the meters on these cameras are super accurate. Lenses are first class.
The Zeiss Super Ikonta IV is a bit of a disappointment. Mine was overhauled by Henry Scherer, who put in a new selenium cell to make the meter accurate. It's a lovely camera, but the front cell focusing Tessar needs to be stopped down to achieve what I would consider true sharpness. it's in focus wide open, but has a bit of soft focus feel.
Kiev - I have a 1956 Kiev IIa, with the flash synch. The flash synch stays closed circuit after firing, until wound on to the next frame. Since I like to use flash bulbs, I have learned to always wind on when taking a flash shot. Mine had a shutter that tapered at 1/500 and 1/1250. A trip to Oleg in Russia, and now it has even exposure at all speeds. He found that the shutter tapes had frayed, and were rubbing against the shutter crate during the travel, leading to uneven exposure. This Kiev has new shutter tapes now.
The fun I had with the Kiev gave me the incentive to get a Henry Scherer overhauled Contax IIa color dial with Carl Zeiss (Stuttgart) 50 1.5 Sonnar. Oh, how sweet it is. That Sonnar goodness is just perfect for portraits. Ok, the Contax has no parallax correction, so I have to frame a little looser. But it is so compact and just so pretty to look at. Went ahead and got the 25mm CV, 35mm Biogon, 85mm Triotar, and 135mm Sonnar. These lenses do rock!
I do less in 35mm format now that I'm using my medium format cameras much more. But when I do reach for a 35mm camera these days, it is the Kiev or the Contax IIa. My Leicas sit there looking pretty.
I've had an F3 for over 35 years (bought it in 1983), and now an F3T.
It has always been reliable, the meter pattern has always been predictable. Auto exposure is spot on. I could always trust this camera to bring back the images. It has battery issues in cold weather, solved with the MD-4 and the NiCd battery back MN-2. I never dented my F3's prism either.
For dented prisms, I note that the Rolleiflex prisms seem to always have been in a demolition derby of some sort. It's rare to see one without some huge dent or crease in the prism body. There is a risk of element separation with the prism also.
Having been a Rolleiflex snob for a while, the Minolta Autocord and especially the Mamiyaflex C2 and C220 have opened my eyes as to what less expensive cameras can do. I find the Mamiya TLRs to be very versatile. Ok, they aren't as exquisitely finished as the Rolleiflex. But, a Toyota is still excellent and works great, even if it isn't finished like a Mercedes Benz. The Mamiya TLRs are super cheap, and the lenses are first class. I usually take out the Autocord or Mamiya TLRs outdoors. Less financial risk than bringing out a near mint white face Rolleiflex.
As for other people's disappointments -
Fuji medium format cameras give me first class results.
These include the folders: GS645, and the GF670.
The GF670 uses CR2 batteries that are apparently hard to find outside the USA. I ran out of batteries in Toronto, Canada, and could not find any place that would sell this battery.
Anyway, the meters on these cameras are super accurate. Lenses are first class.
The Zeiss Super Ikonta IV is a bit of a disappointment. Mine was overhauled by Henry Scherer, who put in a new selenium cell to make the meter accurate. It's a lovely camera, but the front cell focusing Tessar needs to be stopped down to achieve what I would consider true sharpness. it's in focus wide open, but has a bit of soft focus feel.
Kiev - I have a 1956 Kiev IIa, with the flash synch. The flash synch stays closed circuit after firing, until wound on to the next frame. Since I like to use flash bulbs, I have learned to always wind on when taking a flash shot. Mine had a shutter that tapered at 1/500 and 1/1250. A trip to Oleg in Russia, and now it has even exposure at all speeds. He found that the shutter tapes had frayed, and were rubbing against the shutter crate during the travel, leading to uneven exposure. This Kiev has new shutter tapes now.
The fun I had with the Kiev gave me the incentive to get a Henry Scherer overhauled Contax IIa color dial with Carl Zeiss (Stuttgart) 50 1.5 Sonnar. Oh, how sweet it is. That Sonnar goodness is just perfect for portraits. Ok, the Contax has no parallax correction, so I have to frame a little looser. But it is so compact and just so pretty to look at. Went ahead and got the 25mm CV, 35mm Biogon, 85mm Triotar, and 135mm Sonnar. These lenses do rock!
I do less in 35mm format now that I'm using my medium format cameras much more. But when I do reach for a 35mm camera these days, it is the Kiev or the Contax IIa. My Leicas sit there looking pretty.