jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
I'm SO ANGRY at my cameradealer
. Based on your post I ran out to buy a Canon, Sony or Nikon DRF, and he would only sell me an M8.2 !!!:bang:He even refused to order any other brand!!!:bang:
TimF
Established
Quite agree Roger. I don't get why so many people on forums spend their hard-earned on Leica kit only to sit around grizzling about the company and all its works.
No, the M8.2 is not perfect, but what is? Personally I wish it had thumb-wind cocking so there wasn't that horrible electronic whine at all. It's the same shutter as the R9 uses, so unless space is such a premium, there's no reason.
Noise above ISO 640 is the other real issue for me. Oh, and the fact that the LCD display glass seems to attract grease like a roadside cafe!
No, the M8.2 is not perfect, but what is? Personally I wish it had thumb-wind cocking so there wasn't that horrible electronic whine at all. It's the same shutter as the R9 uses, so unless space is such a premium, there's no reason.
Noise above ISO 640 is the other real issue for me. Oh, and the fact that the LCD display glass seems to attract grease like a roadside cafe!
Why would anyone spend thousands of dollars on an M8.2 when you can get far superior Chinese technology for $69.95?
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Dear Tim,
They seriously considered this, but rejected it principally on the grounds of cost (!) Imagine what the complaints would be if they'd gone for that option and charged even more...
For all its faults, the M8.2 is a lot quieter than the M8 and I am waiting for one (I am told it's on its way) with great anticipation.
Cheers,
R.
hydet
Newbie
I must say that somewhere along the line in my evolution from F4 to D100 to D2h to D2x to D3, and Hasselblad H for professional work, I quit carrying a camera with me at all times on my walks and family outings and trips to Home Depot. Now i have a new M8.2. I cannot overstate the sense of liberation it has given me. The camera goes everywhere, now, and i have all that magical glass to explore the world with.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
This rather supports a suspicion I formed in the days when I was working professionally in advertising in London, many years ago.
A truly remarkable number of professionals own Leicas for their personal photography, precisely, as you say, to 'explore the world'.
Cheers,
R.
Tuolumne
Veteran
Come on guys, no one (at least not the OP, me) is asking Leica to do some impossible feats of engineering. After two years we get a new camera leather, more accurate frame lines, a quieter shutter (already done shortly after the M8.0 was released), scratch proof glass (also already done shortly after the M8.0 release and available better cheaper elsewhere any way), and that's it? All for an R&D investment of what? It had better have been well less than $100K or Leica is in bigger trouble than anyone knows.
Maybe in the film camera era you could toss this out and call it a day, but not in the digital camera era when upgrades are driven by the development of digital technology. Complain as you will about the disposability and obsolescence of digital products, but that is what has driven film to the brink of extinction and will be the undoing of Leica if they can't keep pace.
/T
Maybe in the film camera era you could toss this out and call it a day, but not in the digital camera era when upgrades are driven by the development of digital technology. Complain as you will about the disposability and obsolescence of digital products, but that is what has driven film to the brink of extinction and will be the undoing of Leica if they can't keep pace.
/T
Tuolumne
Veteran
I'm SO ANGRY at my cameradealer
He even refused to order any other brand!!!:bang:
He should have offered to find you an R-D1.
/T
kbg32
neo-romanticist
Cameras are a lot like people and relationships - full of idiosyncrasies. We move through life working around them, avoiding them, facing them head on, or learning how to live with them. We have choices.
D&A
Well-known
HI All,
I agree with Tim regarding wishing some kind of manual advance for "cocking: the shutter after the shutter is released...sort of along the lines of the Epson RD-1 and of course every single Leica film "M" body ever made. I also sympathize with Roger's point of view regarding cost of implementing this and it might not be to everyones taste. Although Leica has limited funds for R&D etc, I personally could have envisioned Leica taking a slightly different route with the M8. One model (call it the M8.3) would have the upgraded framelines, LCD glass, new covering, BUT OLD SHUTTER!. The reason being is those that are likely to use this model with it's current automatic shutter cocking mechanism and in conjunction in multi FPs mode, would be less likely to find current shutter/advance noise an issue. It also would have 1/8000 top shutter speed available. The 2nd model (Lets call it M8.6) would also have all the upgrades that my proposed M8.3 model would have EXCEPT it would have both the new quieter shutter but also a thumbwheel (or film advance lever) for those that like the ultimate in stealth/quiet shooting. So after a single frame is shot, the shooter can decide when to cock the shutter manually for the next shot, or do it very quietly at any time. The shutter would also be the new quiet variety with a top speed of 1/4000 as that appears to be what Leica has developed at the moment. Whether this 2nd model could incorporate an automatic shutter adavance too, like current M8 and M8.2 models, I don't know if thats possible in conjunction to the thumb wheel/lever shuter cocking mechanism...but if it had this option, it would have to be where the user could optionally turn it off and have a film advance no different that a traditional Leica M film body. If they had to dispense with the automatic film adavnace and multiple FPS on this proposed M8.6, then that would be fine too. I could even see where those than own more than one "M" digital body, having one M8.3 and M8.6.
With this senario or some variation of it...Leica would have two distinct variations of it's digital rangefinder appealing to both traditionalists and maybe those that are coming from DSLRs and expect a more modern electronic approach to things. To me that would give Leica more options and a wider customer base yet incorporating many parts from the same assembly line for both models as a cost effective step.
Dave
I agree with Tim regarding wishing some kind of manual advance for "cocking: the shutter after the shutter is released...sort of along the lines of the Epson RD-1 and of course every single Leica film "M" body ever made. I also sympathize with Roger's point of view regarding cost of implementing this and it might not be to everyones taste. Although Leica has limited funds for R&D etc, I personally could have envisioned Leica taking a slightly different route with the M8. One model (call it the M8.3) would have the upgraded framelines, LCD glass, new covering, BUT OLD SHUTTER!. The reason being is those that are likely to use this model with it's current automatic shutter cocking mechanism and in conjunction in multi FPs mode, would be less likely to find current shutter/advance noise an issue. It also would have 1/8000 top shutter speed available. The 2nd model (Lets call it M8.6) would also have all the upgrades that my proposed M8.3 model would have EXCEPT it would have both the new quieter shutter but also a thumbwheel (or film advance lever) for those that like the ultimate in stealth/quiet shooting. So after a single frame is shot, the shooter can decide when to cock the shutter manually for the next shot, or do it very quietly at any time. The shutter would also be the new quiet variety with a top speed of 1/4000 as that appears to be what Leica has developed at the moment. Whether this 2nd model could incorporate an automatic shutter adavance too, like current M8 and M8.2 models, I don't know if thats possible in conjunction to the thumb wheel/lever shuter cocking mechanism...but if it had this option, it would have to be where the user could optionally turn it off and have a film advance no different that a traditional Leica M film body. If they had to dispense with the automatic film adavnace and multiple FPS on this proposed M8.6, then that would be fine too. I could even see where those than own more than one "M" digital body, having one M8.3 and M8.6.
With this senario or some variation of it...Leica would have two distinct variations of it's digital rangefinder appealing to both traditionalists and maybe those that are coming from DSLRs and expect a more modern electronic approach to things. To me that would give Leica more options and a wider customer base yet incorporating many parts from the same assembly line for both models as a cost effective step.
Dave
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