Do you feel that the OM bodies are robust?

Despite my previoius post I agree now that I read other posts that OM's electronics was a bit too much ahead of its time and I heard it is supposed to fail miserably at any point.

Fortunately, I didn't have this experience yet...

GLF
 
The OM took a different direction than the Canon F1 or Nikon F cameras. These F-model cameras became larger and heavier over time, as did their lenses. Yoshihisa Maitani thought that cameras should be lighter and more compact. A big fan of Leica, Maitani designed the OM loosely around the Leica M camera, and when compared side-by-side, they are nearly identical in size.

The Olympus OM is more than robust enough for general use. The mechanical shutter in the OM1 and OM3 is simple, accurate, and reliable. The electronically controlled models are more susceptible to failure due to their increased complexity, but similar models by Canon and Nikon suffer can have the same problems.

I have and shoot all of the Nikon F models, and I have a few Canon F1 cameras which I also use. Compared to these cameras, the Olympus OM is smaller and lighter, has a larger and brighter finder, and has superior lenses in some focal lengths. My favorites are the 21/3.5, 28/2, 50/1.8, and 90/2. The Nikon F and Canon FD lenses are simply not as good, while being larger and heavier.

The OM cameras are not for everyone, the controls are different than the "traditional" layout on Canon and Nikon, and some don't like that the aperture reading is not visible in the viewfinder. I use an OM3Ti, and I think it is the most advanced fully-manual SLR ever made. Still, I shoot my Nikon F a bit more often, I love the 5.8/1.4 Nikkor lens.
 
Having spent at least 20 years rock/mountain climbing with my very original OM-1 (bought in 1974), I have to say that it proved to be extremely robust and reliable. It still is a very fine camera (one CLA by John) and still has dents from hitting rock walls while hanging around my neck. It also did a fine job with K64 on the summit of Mt. Rainier and other great volcanos of the NW.
 
OMs are much more robust than the plastic electro gizmos of today. But then, 18 months makes a dinosaur in modern tech. How robust do they need to be?

Hard to imagine an Internet group forty years out talking about these the way we do now about Leica, Nikon, Olympus and the others.

More likely it will be talk about our same classic film cameras since they will still be around and usable.
 
Hi,

Forty years on, and talking about second-hand cameras, means it's mostly luck that decides what happens with any make. The test (once you've done a rough check in the shop and looked at the battery terminals) is a few rolls of film over the next few years and then you'll know, perhaps.

Regards, David
 
But then, 18 months makes a dinosaur in modern tech. How robust do they need to be?
Perhaps that's how people perceive things. I'll point out, though, that my (original version) Canon 5D is still working well and still allows me to produce decent prints. I don't know that I'll feel the need to upgrade while it's still working. It has been working a lot longer than 18 months.

...Mike
 
Reliable yes, but having removed the top plate to do some minor repairs, I was surprised by how thin the metal was. Seemingly very easily dented (not that I have tried)
 
After I buckled the base plate on my OM-1 by careless fixing on a tripod I replaced it with a Nikon FM and an FE. Later acquired a Nikkormat FTN and an F2 Photomic. Going straight from the OM-1 to FM my impression was the FM was more solidly built. It just felt that way. Its slightly greater weight may have contributed to that impression. In comparison the FTN is bulletproof and the F2 feels that way too. But they are much heavier beasts.

I also have an original Canon 5D, still functioning flawlessly. The Nikons still feel more solid with all that metal, and they're smaller.

The OM-1 had the best vf of any SLR I've used. A joy to behold. The lenses were smaller and lighter than the equivalent Nikkors.
 
I think the OMs are adequately built but not intended for abuse in the way a lot of the Nikons seem to be. Of all the five OMs I've bought only one has been problem free ... the others have had metering issues and one developed a film advance problem within six months that required a trip to John Hermanson.
 
OMs are much more robust than the plastic electro gizmos of today.

I see in the OM series about the same amount of plastic I see in my other cameras, I shot Olympus, Nikon and its relative Fuji S5 and they all have metal alloy chassis covered by some sort of polymer which is then covered by some rubber like pads where one grabs the camera, the OMs had a much thinner metal alloy body covered by some sort of plastic fake leather. I also doubt that the electronics of my OM3 and OM4 will last more than the electronics of the digital Nikons, it is more likely than cameras of both families will become obsolete before they break.

GLF
 
Don McCullin switched from Nikon to Olympus during the Vietnam war because they were lighter but "just as robust". Dunno if they would've stopped a bullet though...😱
 
Toughness can be measured many different ways. Toughness against being dented, toughness of various camera mechanisms, etc.

IMHO, Olympus OM cameras are plenty tough. While I don't tend to bang them into things (and therefore have never dented or dropped one), I have used them extensively over 30 years in rain, snow, etc. They have all stood up well. Also, compared to the Nikon FE or FM series, I suspect that the OM cameras have a more rugged -- or perhaps better engineered film advance mechanism -- to stand up to the 5 frames per second motor drive use. I use motor drives extensively on my OM-1, 1n, 2n, 4, and 4T cameras and without the cameras having any problems. The Nikon FM and FE series cameras only go up to 3.5 frames per second, which is noticeably slower. A doubling of film advance speed puts more than twice the strain on the film advance mechanism. So the difference in specs here is telling in a more objective way than mere anecdotal impressions. Basically this spec is the manufacturers' way of putting their money where their mouth is. Also, I have found the OM cloth shutters to be more durable than many a metal shutter, as I have seen a number of broken metal shutters where the metal blades are bent, cracked, or where the rivets in the shutter blades have failed.
 
My photographer friend has developed health problems related to shoulder injuries received from decades of carrying robust Nikon cameras and lenses.

(Vietnam Nam era US Navy photojournalist)

My shoulders are fine. No pain at all.
 
The answer to that post would be resoimdomg NO!!!

The answer to that post would be resoimdomg NO!!!

I originally had an OM1n but it broke one day...I think the film advance jammed or something...I don't remember. It was under keh.com warrantly and so I returned it.

Well I wanted to get a Nikon because of the hype about robustness but now I am feeling that my F is a bit clunky...I might get an FM or go back to OM.

Ofcourse any camera can fail and I probably just had a bad first impression.

Do you feel that OM's are on par with FM's in terms of durability? I know I can buy bodies for cheap these days but having one durable body is better than a bunch of backups for the times when I travel. I'd rather travel with extra cameras that are somewhat different and complimentary (like a RF).

any wonder why the OM camera bodies never competed or succeeded in the professional market place.

What many do NOT know is that Olympus was successful in garnering some Press Corp contracts. In most of those cases where the Press Corp contracts involved the distribution of OM bodies to Press Corp photographers who had been using NIKON, those photographers pretty thoroughly "dispatched" the Olympus bodies as not being robust enough for Press Corp duty and put down the OM bodies and picked up with their use of the NIKON bodies.

As a result of this anecdotal experience, Olympus fell out of favor and was not successful in winning similar contracts.

Olympus are a wonderful system, and I have used mine with great success since 1972 (numerous bodies). But I have had my share of jammed shutter mechanisms, and all my camera's have been well cared for, being kept largely in padded camera bags.

I can surely believe that they would not stand up to daily and abusive Press Corp duty and/or battlefield use.

Beautiful., petite and just a bit dainty for those "on the go"!!!

If you're a bit of a "wuss". probably suitable until the jam.
 
Hi,

Well, we've all read the thread and I guess you have to decide how abusive you are with your cameras...

But, as we are talking about film and an elderly camera, does the question really arise? Shouldn't abusive behaviour suggest a more modern camera? Most people buy old film cmeras, especially the OM range for the pleasure of using them and not to bang in wooden tent pegs.

Regards, David
 
Well, I've taken OMs into a number of different warzones and they've all survived, but I've always tried to be careful with my gear.

Generally speaking, if OMs are in good condition, they will survive reasonably robust daily use but they're all old cameras now and, eventually, something's going to give.

IIRC, Nikon actually produced the olive green bodied Nikonos V as a 'war photographer's' camera: now those are really built like tanks!
 
What many do NOT know is that Olympus was successful in garnering some Press Corp contracts. In most of those cases where the Press Corp contracts involved the distribution of OM bodies to Press Corp photographers who had been using NIKON, those photographers pretty thoroughly "dispatched" the Olympus bodies as not being robust enough for Press Corp duty and put down the OM bodies and picked up with their use of the NIKON bodies.

I can surely believe that they would not stand up to daily and abusive Press Corp duty and/or battlefield use.

I've heard this story repeated many times. And we all know what happens to stories that are repeated many times -- they change and develop a life of their own. While I have no personal knowledge of whether the story as told above is accurate at all or to what extent, it bears emphasis that even assuming that OM cameras were rejected by press corps photographers used to using Nikons, the reason could easily have been due to the fact that the control layout (especially the shutter speed dial around the lens mount) of the OM-1 was different than most other cameras, as well as a good old fashioned (and not unreasonable) bias towards using what is familiar. This bias, of course, affects one's perceptions of the relative merits of what is familiar versus what is unfamiliar.

Again, I cannot definitively state whether OM cameras are tougher than Nikons or not. However, I can definitively state the following:

1. No camera -- including any model Nikon -- is anywhere close to indestructible or free of breakdowns. A simple visit to camera repair facilities (including my multiple visits years ago to Marty Forscher's Professional Camera Repair for CLA work) reveals that cameras of all different brands (including "Pro" models like the Nikon F, F2, etc.) do indeed breakdown and need repairs. Do you think Sover Wong (famous Nikon F2 repairman) would still be in business if Nikon F2 camera were as problem free as some like to fantasize about? Do you think you can expose any non-underwater camera to saltwater or bury it in sand and not have a problem? Do you think that any camera can suffer multiple falls onto concrete without damaging its functionality (as opposed to being lucky on a single fall where the camera lands just the right way)? People who think otherwise are just deluding themselves. Cameras are precision instruments and have to be taken care of accordingly if you want them to last.

2. My personal experience with using Nikon FM, FM2, FE and FE2 cameras yielded several experiences where they had shutter problems involving popped shutter rivets or dented/bent shutter blades. This is not to say that they are not fine cameras; it just indicates that metal shutters can be easily damaged -- particularly if something touches them, while you can poke an OM camera's cloth focal plane shutter in a bit with your finger with no ill effect.

3. OM cameras (at least the single digit OMs) are at least reasonably durable under adverse conditions. This, of course, is not guarantee that yours won't breakdown -- especially given how old they are. But having used them extensively for about 40 years in some bad conditions, I can say that my problems have been fairly rare, mostly involving temporary or repairable electrical contact issues, without any situations where the camera was rendered outright unable to take a photograph. The most common problem I have encountered is being limited to a single mechanical shutter speed where the camera batteries froze when I was using an electronic OM. Since I now only use a mechanical OM-1 in sub-freezing weather, that is not a problem.

4. Most mid-level or higher camera SLR models of any reputable camera brand (such as Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Pentax, Minolta, Leica, etc) will be at least reasonably durable if cared for properly, just as the overwhelming bulk of lenses made since the 1960's will be sufficiently sharp if they have been properly taken care of and if you know what you are doing.
 
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