Bertram2 said:
If you produce pics , from what reason ever, to make others say "WOW!!" this proves you are going the wrong direction, leaving your visions behind.
And that was the point of this thread - agreeing with Bertram.
Frankly, I totally disagree with the premise, your argument, and the entire point you tried to make.
Neither you nor anyone else know what my 'vision' is, so you have no way (or right) to judge if I am 'going in the wrong directions.' Perhaps my vision *is* to make images that make others go "Wow!" And there is NOTHING wrong with that.
The terrible thing is that at the beginning of the learning curve you simply need a positive confirmation for your efforts, but after a while you cannot say waht your intentions really are.
Everyone loses one's way, and perhaps they find it again. Perhaps not. But directions change and that's fine too.
Applause or doing something for yourself ?
Doing it for applause is entirely appropriate if that is what you want to do.
My wife (she is wiser than me when it comes to emotions) asked me sometimes times: "Did you make that for the gallery or for sourself ?"
Good question, blew me away !! Embarrassing tho often my honest answer was 😉
I have no doubt that was your answer. It is not mine, nor, I doubt, a lot of others.
An amateur has a precious privilege , he must not sell his work, he must not care what other people like, and so the amateurs should not give away this privilege for a bit of applause.
Yes, yes, the noble savage, the artist unfettered by crass demands of filling one's belly with food, bowing to the lowbrow demands of the art-buying public, etc. Yawn. I'm not impressed. Amateurs are unlike pros and have different demands upon their creativity, but they still must usually pay the rent by other means, so their noble righteousness amounts to sell-outs of other sorts instead. A sell-out of the mind and body instead of a sell-out of the soul.
Everyone has the right to produce the art they want to produce, to seek the approval of friends and strangers if that is what fulfills them. There is no superiority to be found in chaining oneself to being one with Bertram's idea of What Art Is.
What does explicitely does NOT mean shoot crap and say it's "art" !! 😀
Regards,
bertram
What I produce is art - because I say so. If no one agrees, then no one agrees. if only guys who hang out in bowling alleys agree, but art snobs from fancy schools don't agree - it is still art. And if everyone pulls out their hair and burns their cameras because they recognize that they can never approach my superiority, that is art too. But I say what it is and is not. As do you - for you.
Bertram, I never know what it is about you that gets under my skin. Maybe it's the language differences - I have a German family on my mother's side, and I get tired of hearing things spoken in
command imperatives.
Kommen zei hier doesn't work on me. Sorry, but it gets up my sleeve.
Best Regards,
Bill Mattocks
