Dynamic Range of an Emulsion

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Is there any simple way (rather than trial and measure) to know about the dynamic range of a specific film emulsion? Is there any technical information I can get on the current films on the market that tells me about their downward and upward dynamic range so that I take that into consideration when using the zone system? Something that tells me about the response curves in a human language? I had heard that the bar codes on a film canister (35) not only reveal the optimal ISO sensitivity, but also the dynamic range of the film. But how should one read that? I have also noticed there are different color profiles for TRI-X in VueScan, with different contrast indices (CI). Under what film development conditions do we get to those specific contrast indices?
 
That is exactly what is at stake: I want to optimize the exposure and the dev time/method I use. Now, I can shoot approximatively and have some approximative good results, or I can take into account the way I develop the film and then shoot accordingly. I do the same on digital cameras (shooting raw, spot metering, considering how much shadow and highlight detail I can recover). CI is a property of the film (developed film), as much as I understand, and does not have much to do with the DMAX of the scanner except the fast that you need a higher DMAX to resolve higher CI. But maybe I am just a noob.
 
That is exactly what is at stake: I want to optimize the exposure and the dev time/method I use. Now, I can shoot approximatively and have some approximative good results, or I can take into account the way I develop the film and then shoot accordingly. I do the same on digital cameras (shooting raw, spot metering, considering how much shadow and highlight detail I can recover). CI is a property of the film (developed film), as much as I understand, and does not have much to do with the DMAX of the scanner except the fast that you need a higher DMAX to resolve higher CI. But maybe I am just a noob.
Once you understand gamma/G-bar, it all falls into place.

cheers,

R.
 
Is there any simple way (rather than trial and measure) to know about the dynamic range of a specific film emulsion? ...

Simple answer: no.

There are too, too many variables for any published data to be precise. You must do you own tests using your own equipment to get data precise enough for any true zone system approach.
 
First of all read up on the basics, Kodak have a good tech doc on the basics here:

http://motion.kodak.com/motion/uploadedFiles/US_plugins_acrobat_en_motion_education_sensitometry_workbook.pdf

To work out a films range you need to look at any given film curve, here is one from an Ilford film.

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The two points marked are the effective pictorial range and quite massively over what you will need in practice.
Like Roger stated it is the CI or gamma that limits the range of tones recorded; the higher the Gamma (steeper curve) the more narrow the range.

The way to look at these curves is the amount of scene brightness (log exposure) along the bottom (x axis) is translated to density up the side (y axis), low gamma say 0.5 (low slope) will be able to record a wide range of tones, high gamma 0.75 (steep slope) less tones.

In any case this is moot because most long scale films are capable of recording scenes of 128:1 which is the average scene, the whole ISO speed point mandates a low 32:1 SBR which is only 1.3 units along the X (bottom) axis.

Your skill will only really be needed when the SBR exceeds what the film can record over the stated range that's when you'll need to make the curve more shallow buy lowering the speed (EI) and developing to a lower gamma (reduce development time)
In practice people worry too much about dynamic range it has become a 'cause célèbre since the advent of digital used by film proponents to goad digiphiles and make them hand-wring in order to obtain more.
Long scale scenes compressed by correct exposure and processing can if done correctly can look unexciting or betray the wide SBR, or even just look plain flat.
In other words massively wide range of tones taken in bright conditions can look as if they weren't...

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Sometimes a scene with heavy shadow and punchy mid tones can look dynamic and more pleasing.
Don't get too hung up on DR...

Sorry I haven't got time to explain properly, read the linked simple primer PDF and all should become clear.
 
Woow, a lot of references here... Thanks a lot!

Let me tell you why first place I got to this question:

1) Well, I have shot digital before, and I had a more limited dynamic range and I absolutely had to think about the latitude that my medium covers
2) I like some to shoot slide sometimes, and I sometimes find it difficult to imagine what I will get in the end by only shooting for the points that I am focusing on.
3) And the most important: I have noticed that when I heavily over-expose Tri-X (let's say by 2 steps), it gives me a very thick negative, with necessarily blow-out highlights but at the same time with excellent, very gorgeous mid-tones and shadows.

Specially this last point made me think maybe I have to be more aware of what I shoot, how I shoot it and how I develop it. That maybe by deviating substantially from the standard recommendations I can create a special "look" that I really like. But for that I will need to know better the limits of the medium I am using.
 
Sandy King has tackled this issue, when he tried to figure out how to expose and develop for scanning. His solution, is to expose for the shadows and use a 2 bath developer to tame the DR.
You have the link here:
http://www.tmax100.com/photo/pdf/devforscan.pdf
BTW, I have read somewhere, that Tmax 100 can have 24 stops of DR, the problem is, that the image will look completly muddy. Use Tri X.
 
One of David Vestal's books, The Craft of Photography, has a wonderful section on finding your own personal Exposure Index, through a set of easy experiments, no math required. I took a workshop with him in the 70s, and it completely changed the way I thought of exposure and development. The book is worth reading.

I've utilized at least a measured 16 stops of subject range in Tri-X. The ability to scan film and render it digitally offers a lot of opportunity for using the extended range that film offers which is not easily tapped with silver paper.

16 stops, measured, from under desk cubicles, which retain just a hair of detail, to sunlit wall outside:

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All but meaningless question.Too much depends on exposure and development. And, when scanning, Dmax.

Cheers,

R.

Exactly, take any extant film, find your speed, development time, agitation, and do a repeatable exposure procedure and you will have as much DR as anyone else.

One exception, but the film is no longer available, Verichrome Pan it was made but three different speed layers which gave easy DR no matter what you did. It was used for box cameras so every photo would be good. But put in your TLR and it was great. It was not a sharp film (because of the three layers) so Kodak said, 'Goodbye' when maybe 35mm became popular.
 
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