E-M1 cost.

[giellaleafapmu]

Interesting set of assertions.

[snip]

It's a hobby now, and a passion. It's good to be free of the professional burden. ;-)

G

This post could be used in a rhetoric class. I am not going to argue here (who would argue with a moderator who can zap me anytime he wants anyway?) but there are just so many classical rhetoric tricks: the nitpicking about one world, the allusion to being "faux professional" when reporting a facet of the job you might have been lucky not to experience (remember also that we don't all live in the same place), the purposeful interchange between what you do and what others do, as if one was writing about absolute trues...

Of course, Olympus can do whatever they please and so can you both as a pro photographer, as a simple hobbyist or as a camera manufacturer, should you become one, but I think that some of my remarks, whether shared by you or not, might in reality have affected camera sells of Olympus.

PS The cut to your post was not done for luck of respect just edited later when I saw how ugly and incredibly long the answer had become.

GLF

 

[cosmonaut]

Well I think Olympus is never going to shake that high ISO barrier that they so badly are in need of. Olympus has been recycling the same old sensor in a new skin for years. The only jump they made in image quality is when they put a Sony sensor in the E-M5. Their DXO marks stayed in the upper 50s through many upgrades.
So I think to break that barrier they need a sensor that can produce like others on the market. If not they will never make any serious gains in sales.
I really wished they had a new sensor in the E-M1.

 

[Keith]

Well I think Olympus is never going to shake that high ISO barrier that they so badly are in need of. Olympus has been recycling the same old sensor in a new skin for years. The only jump they made in image quality is when they put a Sony sensor in the E-M5. Their DXO marks stayed in the upper 50s through many upgrades.
So I think to break that barrier they need a sensor that can produce like others on the market. If not they will never make any serious gains in sales.
I really wished they had a new sensor in the E-M1.

I was very impressed with the sensor in the EM-5 ... 3200 and 6400 ISO were not far off my D700 but the files didn't seem to have a lot of flexibility.

 

[cosmonaut]

I was very impressed with the sensor in the EM-5 ... 3200 and 6400 ISO were not far off my D700 but the files didn't seem to have a lot of flexibility.

Well a few current models blow it out of the water for the same price, fujim X, NEX, almost any of them. Maybe with Sony sensors that will change.

 

[Godfrey]

Well a few current models blow it out of the water for the same price, fujim X, NEX, almost any of them. Maybe with Sony sensors that will change.

If you're really interested as to what "blow it out of the water" means, according to the SNR and DR charts for APS-C and Micro-FourThirds cameras produced by several testing sites (like DXO to name one), the best of these alternatives leads the worst of them by less than an 8% differential on average. The Olympus and Panasonic cameras are neither at the bottom nor the top of that range.

IMO, that difference is so small as to be a no-op. A photographer who knows how to exploit their camera's capabilities properly will get virtually the same results with any of them.

Ergonomics and usability are much more important discriminators when I'm choosing a camera these days.

G

 

[GaryLH]

Some leaked pricing info and more

Some leaked pricing info and more

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/the-full-olympus-e-m1-image-and-price-roundup/

Gary

 

[Godfrey]

No more rumor ... OM-D E-M1 is now live on the Olympus site:

Olympus USA - OM-D E-M1 announcement

It looks like a terrific camera. I may put myself on the list for one.

G

 

[stompyq]

Hmm... About the same price as a Nikon D600. I'll pass.

 

[Rodchenko]

I suppose I could come to terms with one. But it's not me, so I'll pass.

I'm pleased that the OMD isn't a dead end, as I feared it might be after the Pen series came along. I'm not clear that there's room for DSLRs, OMD and Pen snuggling together in the range, especially with the proliferation of Pen models still going on, but we'll see how that pans out. So long as the M43 option remains alive, I'll be happy.

 

[FrozenInTime]

It seems like good progress: better VF, better AF, massive buffer ... etc.

Reportedly a stop more DR - but still only 12 bit raw ( guessing here as they are not shouting 14 bit )
Focus peaking knobbled so that it does not work with MF lenses. ( see camerastore.tv Calgary review )

I think the EM-5 will do me fine perhaps with the 40-150/2.8 lens next year

 

[--]

I would prefer waiting another generation for better AF with moving subjects (even though progress is reported on this). But I may jump early next year to get a "cheaper" 12-40 f:2.8 lens in the combo.

The E-M5 already exceeds my abilities, I only wish the buttons were bigger and the AF better at following subjects. This seemed to have been addressed in the E-M1; the AF at least to some degree.

Hopefully Olympus will soon loose the source code to their menu-system and will have to write something from scratch. The E-M5 is the first camera I have ever used where I quite simply do not know if I use all the functionality available. The menus seem just as bad on the E-M1.

I hope Olympus will generate enough cash to survive in the imaging division from this and the other m4/3 cameras.

Xpanded

 

[Godfrey]

Hmm... About the same price as a Nikon D600. I'll pass.

I'd rather have a top of the line FourThirds format camera than a bottom of the line FF. ;-)

I own enough lenses for both, but I prefer FourThirds...

G

 

[jsrockit]

I'd rather have a top of the line FourThirds format camera than a bottom of the line FF. ;-)

I doubt most would agree... and bottom of the line full frame isn't garbage.

 

[GaryLH]

Hmm... About the same price as a Nikon D600. I'll pass.

So... Where can I find a d600 body for around 1400... Last I time I looked it was well over 1500 just for a refurb let alone a brand new one. Are u sure u are not checking the body plus kit lens price. I thought I saw the body only price listed for 1399 for the em1.

Having Nikon dslr in the past and currently sigma dslr as well as the omd em5. The Olympus 5 axis ibis is the best stabilization system I have ever had the pleasure of using.

Gary

 

[Godfrey]

I doubt most would agree... and bottom of the line full frame isn't garbage.

Sorry, but I have never really worried about what "most" agree upon.
Remember, I still use a lovely, ancient Olympus E-1 and get very lovely photos with it. ];-)

G

 

[GaryLH]

Hopefully Olympus will soon loose the source code to their menu-system and will have to write something from scratch. The E-M5 is the first camera I have ever used where I quite simply do not know if I use all the functionality available. The menus seem just as bad on the E-M1.

Xpanded

Lol. It is one of the reasons I always prefix a recommendation of this camera to anyone by saying "not a menu system for the novice"...

The look and feel of a camera line is probably somewhat governed by the product line managers if they do it the same way as in my industry. So probability of it changing would have had this new camera, sadly :bang:

Gary

 

[sevres_babylone]

With some guessing the OMD E-M1 is going to come in around the $1500.00 range body only. I am curious is this going to be something you E-M5 users are going to be interested in? ...

Not interested, mostly because I just bought my E-M5 at the end of last year. The feature that impresses me most is the removal of the anti-aliasing filter. Examples on Ming Thein's blog show a sharpness comparable to the M9. Also, I would have liked focus-peaking on my camera. I do, however, prefer the smaller size of the E-M5.


What I'm really looking forward to is the new zoom. I passed on the kit zoom because it was too slow, and I wanted a weather-resistant zoom for shooting in snow and rain. I'll likely buy it this winter.

 

[--]

Where are the menu ninjas, when you need them...

 

[DNG]

$1399 at B&H as a preorder..

Focus Peeking may be as the E-P5 to activate it... through the Menus...Set the Camera to "Shoot w/o a lens" Time will tell....
I mean really... Focus Peeking is for Adapted Lenses, not native lenses that AF!!

It is good first step to intergrate the 4/3 lenses in the m4/3 system...
The next PRO model will be better placed with features that may seem half hearted now. I hope!

 

[Godfrey]

Lol. It is one of the reasons I always prefix a recommendation of this camera to anyone by saying "not a menu system for the novice"...

The look and feel of a camera line is probably somewhat governed by the product line managers if they do it the same way as in my industry. So probability of it changing would have had this new camera, sadly

I've always seen a divide between the cameras Olympus markets as pro-grade vs the prosumer models with respect to the menu system design. The pro-grade models often seem simpler and more logically organized. Different design teams, I bet.

G