f16sunshine
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Anyone have anything to contribute here?
With the current low price I imagine there will be quite a few adopting this system.
Curious how it stacks against X100 and X100s in particular.
Thanks for your replies and image posts
With the current low price I imagine there will be quite a few adopting this system.
Curious how it stacks against X100 and X100s in particular.
Thanks for your replies and image posts
jpfisher
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With the 22mm:
I shot with it before the new firmware was released, and found the autofocus speed to be downright unacceptable for any price. But the image quality was on par with the T4i/T5i (same image sensor).
I'd be shocked not to see Canon release an updated version with the 70D sensor at some point. The phase detect system should make the EOS M a much better camera in terms of responsiveness.

I shot with it before the new firmware was released, and found the autofocus speed to be downright unacceptable for any price. But the image quality was on par with the T4i/T5i (same image sensor).
I'd be shocked not to see Canon release an updated version with the 70D sensor at some point. The phase detect system should make the EOS M a much better camera in terms of responsiveness.
David_Manning
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Jim, have you tried your EOS M with firmware 2.0.2? It looks much snappier. I have one on order with the 22mm. I read your review in PCMag and I'm wondering if it would change your opinion. I'm hoping to be happily surprised. I lived with the original Fuji X100 for months and thought it's AF was ok...
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lots of images on flickr from the eos m/22 & 18-55...look impressive!
f16sunshine
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Jim, have you tried your EOS M with firmware 2.0.2? It looks much snappier. I have one on order with the 22mm. I read your review in PCMag and I'm wondering if it would change your opinion. I'm hoping to be happily surprised. I lived with the original Fuji X100 for months and thought it's AF was ok...
I've adjusted to the x100 af very well. FW updates have helped as well.
That little camera is rocking it for me so far. This eos is interesting mostly for the low price and Eos sensor.
I've always been very happy with Eos digital files from my past 40D and present 5Dii.
Thanks for posting Jim. Hope to see more.
jpfisher
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Jim, have you tried your EOS M with firmware 2.0.2? It looks much snappier. I have one on order with the 22mm. I read your review in PCMag and I'm wondering if it would change your opinion. I'm hoping to be happily surprised. I lived with the original Fuji X100 for months and thought it's AF was ok...
I've not. I've got a ton of Canon gear on loan right now, (nothing new -- we never hit the 1D X, and I had some time in my schedule. No issues with slow focus there).
Given that it is presumably on fire sale at this point, I don't know if I'll be able to secure the EOS M again to test the focus speed with the new firmware. But we've seen the YouTube videos. Had the focus been speedier AND the price been $299 with lens, I would recommend it as a purchase. But we do factor in asking price in the reviews, it was a tough sell at $799 when the mirrorless market is so competitive. Sony has been leading the charge in sensor quality, but a lot of the native glass is underwhelming. Samsung looks to have caught up with the NX300, and I generally like its lenses, but personally I need a camera with an EVF. (Disclosure: the only digital camera that I own right now is a Sony NEX-5N with EVF, and I basically have a 28mm Elmarit ASPH glued to it.)
When shooting with native lenses on a mirroless system, though, the latest Olympus Micro Four Thirds cameras are my favorite. The OM-D is a joy, and the E-P5 with the VF-4 was a lot of fun with that 17mm f/1.8.
I had some hands-on time with the 70D, a preproduction unit, and the live view AF is quite snappy. I didn't get to take it out of the office we met at and try it in the real world. But if that sensor ends up in an EOS M body, it'll be a pretty sweet camera with the 22mm. Especially if they squeeze a decent EVF in as well.
David_Manning
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Great insight...thanks. I own a Sony RX100, and it's a great camera. I just miss the DoF of a larger sensor (and, I don't like to see the noise suppression artifacts that creep into the Sony pictures). I'm hoping the EOS M will give me the image quality I crave, and a usable "compact" experience.
Hey...at $299, I guess I can afford to gamble a *little*
Hey...at $299, I guess I can afford to gamble a *little*
jpfisher
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David,
The thing I love about my job is just being able to get out and try a bunch of gear. It puts perspective on just how competitive the market is. We are living in a time where we have an embarrassing wealth of cameras from which to choose. Plus, getting a steady paycheck to go out and take pictures and offer up my opinion on gear makes me happy. (And I can convince my wife that going on some weekend photo adventure helps to put food on our table.)
The 22mm is a nice little lens. And a pancake prime with that field of view is a tough nut to crack, at least compared to the Samsung 20mm and the Sony 16mm for those mirrorless systems. (I've not yet shot with the new Sony 20mm.) I'm a 50mm-equivalent guy, and was really impressed with the Samsung 30mm for the NX; but that's $300 on its own, never mind the camera.
The thing I love about my job is just being able to get out and try a bunch of gear. It puts perspective on just how competitive the market is. We are living in a time where we have an embarrassing wealth of cameras from which to choose. Plus, getting a steady paycheck to go out and take pictures and offer up my opinion on gear makes me happy. (And I can convince my wife that going on some weekend photo adventure helps to put food on our table.)
The 22mm is a nice little lens. And a pancake prime with that field of view is a tough nut to crack, at least compared to the Samsung 20mm and the Sony 16mm for those mirrorless systems. (I've not yet shot with the new Sony 20mm.) I'm a 50mm-equivalent guy, and was really impressed with the Samsung 30mm for the NX; but that's $300 on its own, never mind the camera.
Ruhayat
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As I said in another thread, I was pleasantly surprised to like mine. Hefty and solid, nice shutter sound (yes, VERY important), and the 22mm STM 2.0 kit lens is very, very good. I also found the touchscreen interface a joy to use: it has become one of my must-have features in any compact digital camera from now on.
Main Pros:
Professional video capabilities (24, 25 or 30 fps, 1080p HD, stereo mic input etc)
Essentially a Canon 60D in a compact package (hence, midrange DSLR image quality)
EOS adapter included, so I can use my Canon lenses without modification
Yet it has no mirror, so I can use my Leica M mount lenses on it, too - I used to shoot Leica R on Canon EOS DSLRs, now I can use Leica M lenses for even better quality
Small size makes it a perfect travel/docu/B camera platform
Cons:
I wish Canon would come out with more primes - at least an 80mm portrait equivalent
Like the Sony RX1, the body design is cramped at one side - using the free half-case helps a lot here for photos; for video I use it on a tripod so no problems there
Main Pros:
Professional video capabilities (24, 25 or 30 fps, 1080p HD, stereo mic input etc)
Essentially a Canon 60D in a compact package (hence, midrange DSLR image quality)
EOS adapter included, so I can use my Canon lenses without modification
Yet it has no mirror, so I can use my Leica M mount lenses on it, too - I used to shoot Leica R on Canon EOS DSLRs, now I can use Leica M lenses for even better quality
Small size makes it a perfect travel/docu/B camera platform
Cons:
I wish Canon would come out with more primes - at least an 80mm portrait equivalent
Like the Sony RX1, the body design is cramped at one side - using the free half-case helps a lot here for photos; for video I use it on a tripod so no problems there
Ruhayat
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Nothing special, just a test shot to see the sharpness and smooth bokeh.

Taken with 50mm Nokton ASPH 1.5 (LTM) on Canon EOS-M by ramayanax, on Flickr

Taken with 50mm Nokton ASPH 1.5 (LTM) on Canon EOS-M by ramayanax, on Flickr
Ruhayat
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Size comparison to a Leica M, both sporting a 35mm lens (2.0 on the EOS-M, 1.4 on the M):

Taken by 50mm EF 1.8 on Canon 5D by ramayanax, on Flickr

Taken by 50mm EF 1.8 on Canon 5D by ramayanax, on Flickr
Ruhayat
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Not many EOS-M users yet? Here's one on the way home one day. Saw the blade of light falling on the weary man's face and decided to take a shot. This is cropped about half from the original file. Grain hevaily added, and the contrasty look was to accentuate the light while shoving the neighbour into a silhouette to further emphasise the weary man.

Taken with 22mm EF STM 2.0 on Canon EOS-M by ramayanax, on Flickr

Taken with 22mm EF STM 2.0 on Canon EOS-M by ramayanax, on Flickr
Ruhayat
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Aaaand the obligatory cat shot. Every thread should have one. To show off the colour, smoothness and sharpness. Perhaps overly sharpened, going by the stepped look on the cat's whiskers.

Taken with 50mm Nokton 1.5 on Canon EOS-M by ramayanax, on Flickr

Taken with 50mm Nokton 1.5 on Canon EOS-M by ramayanax, on Flickr
David_Manning
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Still waiting for mine to arrive.
Ruhayat
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Still waiting for mine to arrive.
Light up the thread when it does!
David_Manning
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Ok, I got my EOS M and 22mm today, early, from Amazon
(nice job, boys).
Quick thoughts...fantastic build, really solid (both body and lens). The menus are just like my 5DmkII...fast to navigate. The touch screen is really cool...I like it more than I thought I would. It's as sensitive as an iPhone. New firmware is onboard out of the box. The focus is going to work just fine for me. I'm a documentary-method candid photographer, even on the street...I shoot very few grab shots...and the focus is fast enough. It's like the original X100, which I still have. Definitely usable. The colors and "look" are just like my 5DmkII...good, and smooth. It has a dSLR quality to it. It is night and day from the RAW files from my Sony RX100...the Sony files look like compact camera shots next to the Canon files.
I'm very pleasantly surprised. I *only* wish it had onboard flash...but 99% of my X100 shots were existing-light, and I don't light my 5DmkII images...it's not a deal-breaker by any stretch.
First quick portrait as I wrangled my daughters and kept them from rolling their eyes. 22mm, f2 wide-open.
Quick thoughts...fantastic build, really solid (both body and lens). The menus are just like my 5DmkII...fast to navigate. The touch screen is really cool...I like it more than I thought I would. It's as sensitive as an iPhone. New firmware is onboard out of the box. The focus is going to work just fine for me. I'm a documentary-method candid photographer, even on the street...I shoot very few grab shots...and the focus is fast enough. It's like the original X100, which I still have. Definitely usable. The colors and "look" are just like my 5DmkII...good, and smooth. It has a dSLR quality to it. It is night and day from the RAW files from my Sony RX100...the Sony files look like compact camera shots next to the Canon files.
I'm very pleasantly surprised. I *only* wish it had onboard flash...but 99% of my X100 shots were existing-light, and I don't light my 5DmkII images...it's not a deal-breaker by any stretch.
First quick portrait as I wrangled my daughters and kept them from rolling their eyes. 22mm, f2 wide-open.

David_Manning
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My models quit after this shot...they just don't share my enthusiasm!

David_Manning
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EOS M, 22mm lens...

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