fitzihardwurshd
Spiteful little devil
Hi,
does anybody work with this combo ? If so, is Vuesan dekivering better results than the Epson software? What is different ?
Thanks !
Fitzi
does anybody work with this combo ? If so, is Vuesan dekivering better results than the Epson software? What is different ?
Thanks !
Fitzi
kaiyen
local man of mystery
I am using the combo, but I haven't tried it with Epsonscan. Works fine for me with Vuescan...
allan
allan
kbg32
neo-romanticist
You have a lot more control with Vuescan and plus you get various film profiles to scan with.
Buze
Established
Various film profiles : none of them of any use whatsoever. Where's "Fuji Superia 200" for example ? I just pick that one from the top of my head, because there are ZERO film that are of any use in there, nothing modern/and/or sold today.
Seriously, Vuescan sucks. Interface sucks, preview sucks, results don't match preview, even if you manage to get the preview right. JPEG compressor is /dreadful/ . Software crash for no apparent reasons, forcing you to spend another 15 minutes reconfiguring the whole pile of crap. Crop selector sucks (WHO has a camera that has a 100.00% regular film advance ?)
I could go on an on. It's a $90 waste of money. Epson might suck in plenty of other ways, but at least it comes free with the scanner and doesn't crash. Oh and it allows you to have color/curves settings per crop, not just for the &@($& whole lot !
Save your money : buy IT8.3 color calibration targets, and use the profiles in Epson Scan; and don't use /any/ other correction in there. Do the rest in Photoshop.
Seriously, Vuescan sucks. Interface sucks, preview sucks, results don't match preview, even if you manage to get the preview right. JPEG compressor is /dreadful/ . Software crash for no apparent reasons, forcing you to spend another 15 minutes reconfiguring the whole pile of crap. Crop selector sucks (WHO has a camera that has a 100.00% regular film advance ?)
I could go on an on. It's a $90 waste of money. Epson might suck in plenty of other ways, but at least it comes free with the scanner and doesn't crash. Oh and it allows you to have color/curves settings per crop, not just for the &@($& whole lot !
Save your money : buy IT8.3 color calibration targets, and use the profiles in Epson Scan; and don't use /any/ other correction in there. Do the rest in Photoshop.
sunsworth
Well-known
Hi Fitzi. I've used Vuescan for the last 7 years os so, in fact I've abandoned use of the manufactureers software on the scanners I've bought.
It offers you great control over the various selection parameters. The interface is 'busy', but once you get used to it every parameter you'd want to adjust is there.
The original profiles were based on the films thatwere available when Kodak introduced the old Photo CD format. Most of the time you will get perfectly acceptable results by using the 'Generic' profile.
I originally bought it the day after I doenloaded the trial version. Have never regretted the decision for a moment.
My version is very, very stable. I don't think I've ever had a crash. I can't comment on the Jpeg quality as I always scan as 16 bit tiffs.
All of the images on my website were created with Vuescan.
It offers you great control over the various selection parameters. The interface is 'busy', but once you get used to it every parameter you'd want to adjust is there.
The original profiles were based on the films thatwere available when Kodak introduced the old Photo CD format. Most of the time you will get perfectly acceptable results by using the 'Generic' profile.
I originally bought it the day after I doenloaded the trial version. Have never regretted the decision for a moment.
My version is very, very stable. I don't think I've ever had a crash. I can't comment on the Jpeg quality as I always scan as 16 bit tiffs.
All of the images on my website were created with Vuescan.
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kaiyen
local man of mystery
Wow. That's like bi-polar posting.
My experience is closer to Steve's. But many people have had issues with it. especially the learning curve and interface. For slides and B&W, it's unbeatable, IMO. There's always interpretation with color negs that annoys me. I shall speak no further on it.
allan
My experience is closer to Steve's. But many people have had issues with it. especially the learning curve and interface. For slides and B&W, it's unbeatable, IMO. There's always interpretation with color negs that annoys me. I shall speak no further on it.
allan
fitzihardwurshd
Spiteful little devil
kaiyen said:
Bipolar indeed! I know Steves photos and must say the scans are great.
What made me think about Vuescan is only the the multipass option, which is said to have an considerable effect especially on dense B&W negs. I do not know tho if this feature is available in Vuescan for the 4490 ?
The Epson software works surprisingly well, for film and print, and even silver based highspeed film like Fuji 1600 goes well on it.
Best,
Fitzi
aad
Not so new now.
I have to agree more with Buze-I actually bought the pro version, and found it needlessly annoying and problem prone for no real improvement in results. You can get multiscan, but the 4490 isn't a noisy scanner. For slides, I got a Minolta SD IV. Vuescan REALLY was bad with that.
kbg32
neo-romanticist
Differences are what makes the world go round. Vuescan I feel is superior to the Epson software. It was packaged free with my 4990 and I find it extremely useful.
Some like Canons, some like Nikons, and some like Leicas. Is one better then the other? Weigh the opinions, look at what is available and what YOU need. Make your decision from there.
Cheers.
Some like Canons, some like Nikons, and some like Leicas. Is one better then the other? Weigh the opinions, look at what is available and what YOU need. Make your decision from there.
Cheers.
ffttklackdedeng
Registered User
Buze said:
Ack on most of those, unfortunately.. I like it less and less, especially the 'noisy' UI. Mine likes to crash, too - but you can save reconfig time: set all params up, quit VueScan and start it again. If it crashes then, you will have all your settings after a simple restart.
Regards, Robert
ChrisN
Striving
I'm quite happy with the Epson software for the 4490. Give it a good try before spending money on something that might be better.
Buze
Established
I bought it after reading quite nice raving reviews about it, and I must agree it has some /cool/ features (like displaying the out of gammut + shadow/hilight clips) and really, I tried a number of times to get back into it, most especialy to scan slides. But I really gave up on it, it's too much trouble.
Now, with my cheapo (70 euros) IT8.3 film targets, I made myself some icc profiles that I use in Epson scan and I now get perfect slide scans directly. No fighting over the software to get unpredictable results...
And for B&W I now scan as positive film, and do the invert in PS. That also solved all of the problems I had in Epson software.
Now, with my cheapo (70 euros) IT8.3 film targets, I made myself some icc profiles that I use in Epson scan and I now get perfect slide scans directly. No fighting over the software to get unpredictable results...
And for B&W I now scan as positive film, and do the invert in PS. That also solved all of the problems I had in Epson software.
fitzihardwurshd
Spiteful little devil
aad said:
Does that mean you could not really achieve improvements at dense negs with the multiscan feature ?
If so, I would give up the Vuescan idea.
Fitzi
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Yes, people could go on and on. I'm not going to defend VueScan, there are some rough edges, but this characterization(s) is completely overblown, it only demonstrates that somebody doesn't know how to use the software.Buze said:
I've used it with great success with my Minolta Dual Scan IV and the Epson 4490; works great for batch scan mode. I *never* use anything other than TIFF to save my files; the batch mode is very useful, and if you spend a little bit of time and have some intelligence, you can use it in ways that can assist you in ways very few other programs can.
I never use the auto crop or auto color enhance features: I always scan in "image" mode (never "positive" or "negative"); this gives me raw scans. I process the raw scans with SilverFast HDR.
So I have found a way to make VueScan useful. People want things to do *everything* for them. For $80, please. You want something to do everything for you? It's Kapitalism, und that's reality. Until somebody spends all their research time, research money, technology investment and resources and gives us the product for $19.99, be ready to spend megabucks for something that will please everybody. In the meantime, find the strengths and weaknesses of each tool, and use appropriately according to your needs. A pencil won't drill through drywall.
xvvvz
Established
The best thing to do is to download the free demo version of Vuescan (or Silverfast) and try it for yourself. The demo will put $$$ signs across the print but you can still see how well it works for you and how well you and the interface get along. I don't *think* the demo version of Vuescan gives you access to all of the features of the Pro version but it is complete enough that you should get a good feel for the product.
My $.02,
Doug
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Doug
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kaiyen
local man of mystery
Vuescan gives you multi-pass with any scanner. It just literally tells the scanner to scan again and again (# of times specified by you) and does the noise reduction calculations on its own.
Never, ever had any issues with slides. B&W it is extremely useful. I am, I admit, still working on the color negative side of things.
allan
Never, ever had any issues with slides. B&W it is extremely useful. I am, I admit, still working on the color negative side of things.
allan
S
Socke
Guest
I've bought Vuescan for my old Canon FS2710 scanner which was abandoned by Canon when we still thought Windows 98 is cool and Windows NT4 is professional ;-)
The userinterface is not nice but usable, the generic film profile is usualy good enough and for my most used films I scanned the film base which improved my results.
I don't use the jpg compressor and scan to 48bit tiff, here multiscan helps with my 14bit scanner since it interpolates a bit to get 16bit output.
Autocropping works sometimes, usualy I just set it to a centred crop slightly smaller than the frame. Actualy, I have more problems mounting my filmstrips in the cheap Canon film holder
Vuescan never crashed on my Windows 2000 and XP and Linux mashines.
Since there is a evaluation version from Vuescan available I think it is best to try it for yourself.
As has been stated often, the userinterface needs some getting used to and the results may or may not justify it.
In my case, it's the only choice I have and I'm pretty happy with it.
(Ok, the Canon software for Win98 runs on XP, but it is very basic)
The userinterface is not nice but usable, the generic film profile is usualy good enough and for my most used films I scanned the film base which improved my results.
I don't use the jpg compressor and scan to 48bit tiff, here multiscan helps with my 14bit scanner since it interpolates a bit to get 16bit output.
Autocropping works sometimes, usualy I just set it to a centred crop slightly smaller than the frame. Actualy, I have more problems mounting my filmstrips in the cheap Canon film holder
Vuescan never crashed on my Windows 2000 and XP and Linux mashines.
Since there is a evaluation version from Vuescan available I think it is best to try it for yourself.
As has been stated often, the userinterface needs some getting used to and the results may or may not justify it.
In my case, it's the only choice I have and I'm pretty happy with it.
(Ok, the Canon software for Win98 runs on XP, but it is very basic)
triplefinger
Well-known
I use it and love it. the software that shipped with it seemed cumbersome to me.
fitzihardwurshd said:
Buze
Established
The multiscan produces soft scans on 4490 and 4990 (anf possibly other flatbeds ?) because the lamp heats up the film and causes it to curl/move slightly between scans; so when they aren"mixed" together again you get a slight "camera shake" like effect when looking closely.
fitzihardwurshd
Spiteful little devil
Buze said:
Well, exactly that was the suspect I had in my mind. If that is what I get from multipass, no thanks ! Am I nuts ? I am healed from this idea.
Regards and thanks to all who have answered to my question.
Fitzi