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It's a joke a small sensor size m8 within 5 years it's waste
Erwin Putts M8 test report
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Mark Norton
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I'm pleased the PC socket has gone, I always lose the plastic dist caps. As for working with studio lighting, buy some new. As in infra-red triggered...
zuikologist
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Stupid question: Putts states the (the body of) M8 is made in Portugal. The camera clearly shows Made in Germany. Does he mean just external parts? Which one is correct?
Nachkebia
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I have heared long time ego that most Leica lenses are produced in portugal?..
ClaremontPhoto
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The shutters are made in Portugal, with an ancient sewing machine.
jaapv
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The Portugal Leica plant builds binoculars and projector lenses....I cannot remember ever seeing a M lens "made in Portugal" .Mr. Puts has copied that one from his damning review of the Leica R3 , forty years ago 😀
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jaapv
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Blathering nonsense, my friend. We live in a society that considers it normal that a 50.000 Euro car in perfect order is worth 10.000 in five years time and is "obsolete" as well...🙄 This kind of thing has nothing to do with the quality of the object.jaap said:
Nachkebia
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Not really... don`t agree with you at all... sensor is technology and technology develops, no one is saying M8 sensor will be unusable in couple of years, but there will be much much much better sensors on the market so there will be demand for better! in film days you would just buy new film, new kodak portra is comming soon for instance 😀
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jaapv
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So I'll buy a M9 in 5 years time. What is strange about that? In the meantime I've had fun with the M8 🙂 I'm an amateur, the camera is written off as soon as I buy it.I pay about 17 Euro for a roll of Kodachrome nowadays, so financial considerations are not my worry. These days one doesn't buy new film, one buys a new camera 😉 Sad, I agree, I would like to nostalgially reverse time as well.
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VinceC
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>>Blathering nonsense, my friend. We live in a society that considers it normal that a 50.000 Euro car in perfect order is worth 10.000 in five years time and is "obsolete" as well... This kind of thing has nothing to do with the quality of the object.<<
Thanks, Jaapv. Anyone who wants to really buy a Leica M8 -- and who is also a new-car buyer -- can afford to. Simply get the next model down from what you want, and spend the $5,000/4.000 euro difference on buying the camera. In Five years, the car will have lost much more value than $5,000, and both it and the camera will remain functional if properly cared for. At some point about 10 to 12 years from now, the $5,000 camera will retain more resale value than the 50.000 euro car.
Thanks, Jaapv. Anyone who wants to really buy a Leica M8 -- and who is also a new-car buyer -- can afford to. Simply get the next model down from what you want, and spend the $5,000/4.000 euro difference on buying the camera. In Five years, the car will have lost much more value than $5,000, and both it and the camera will remain functional if properly cared for. At some point about 10 to 12 years from now, the $5,000 camera will retain more resale value than the 50.000 euro car.
Nachkebia
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Enjoy sir! :angel:
jaapv
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Thank you mate.😎 🙂 . But back to the subject. Let's not forget Mr. Puts was the semi-official propagandist for Leica for many years, until he got bought by Canon. So now he is Canon's unofficial spokesman hired to say what they wouldn't dare themselves, for fear of being called biased. With his network at Leica he will certainly have been able to lay his hands on a Beta M8, but the fact that he published photographs with his review is a sure indicator that it was an err.."unofficial" camera. If you really want to be suspicious you might think Leica might have played a lemon into his hands in order to discredit him😱 But no.. I think that cannot be true...🙄
Nachkebia
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jaapv : Honestly speaking, I am more interested in new Fuji digital SLR which is comming soon, which will definatly have revolutionary sensor... I know what M8 can do already, even it was beta software what Mr. Puts had that it pritty much it 🙂
Bob Parsons
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HAnkg said:
I tried the same and found with an ajustment to curves, levels and a small amount of sharpening the M8 results were indistinguishable from the 5D samples. That's apart from the obvious plane of focus and angle of view changes.
The results shown tell us very little about the M8 performance.
Bob.
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Confused by Edwin
Confused by Edwin
To quote Mr. Putts
"The 1.33 factor for the reduction in angle of view (also referred to as crop factor) is of course reflected in the frame-lines being used. When putting the 24mm on the body, it is a bit of a surprise to see a 30mm frame being selected. Normally one would not bother, but when you are used to the M7 body, and select the 24mm lens you know that the finder cannot show the full view of the lens. On the M8 the finder gives frame-lines that you would expect to cover the 35mm lens."
Can anyone explain what the hell he means, by talking about a 30mm frame and what does the last sentence mean? I get frustrated sometimes by his writing. I find it full of apparent typos and confusing, sometimes contradictory statements.
Confused by Edwin
To quote Mr. Putts
"The 1.33 factor for the reduction in angle of view (also referred to as crop factor) is of course reflected in the frame-lines being used. When putting the 24mm on the body, it is a bit of a surprise to see a 30mm frame being selected. Normally one would not bother, but when you are used to the M7 body, and select the 24mm lens you know that the finder cannot show the full view of the lens. On the M8 the finder gives frame-lines that you would expect to cover the 35mm lens."
Can anyone explain what the hell he means, by talking about a 30mm frame and what does the last sentence mean? I get frustrated sometimes by his writing. I find it full of apparent typos and confusing, sometimes contradictory statements.
jaapv
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I'll translate: "The framelines represent the actual field of view of the lens mounted; a 24 mm lens, for which the M7 has no framelines, brings up framelines for the equivalent FOV of a 30 (!) mm lens on a film M camera."
He should have said 32 mm.And it is not a 30 mm frame-line. It is a 24 mm on a different format.
He should have said 32 mm.And it is not a 30 mm frame-line. It is a 24 mm on a different format.
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jaapv
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Seems like a good idea, if you are into SLR's. But of course, Foveon type sensors are not usable on RF camera's.Nachkebia said:
fgianni
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Is there a technical reason for this?jaapv said:
Got any reference?
Just curious.
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sreidvt
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rvaubel said:
Hi Rex,
Exactly, it is out of focus. I've been surprised that more people haven't mentioned that.
Cheers,
Sean
jaapv
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fgianni said:
I've always understood that due to the way they are built in three colour layers the angle of acceptance is even more problematic than CCD or CMos sensor types, but I'll gladly yield to superior knowledge of the latest developments...
I always feel it is a bit of a Wankel engine thing: Theoretically and technically superior, but of limited interest
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