Erwin Putts M8 test report

DaveKennedy said:
BTW, can someone please tell me if this camera can do high ISO and not look like crap?

Sean, any thoughts? And what's Erwin's site? I tried the above link and it doesn't take you to the main site where I can see the second part of the review Mr. Putz did.
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Hi Dave,

I can't talk about specifics with file quality yet.

Cheers,

Sean
 
raid amin said:
Respect other people's right to express their opinions if you want anybody to respect yours, ywenz.



Raid
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I basically said the same thing the others did, but I used some more playful words. I see you get caught up in the wording game as well. That is too bad. Back to the original point, your reasoning for questioning the need of the M8 still doesn't make sense. You basically equated the M8 to every other digital camera simply because the medium is of the same. Using the M8 is not the same as using the 20D.
 
Any ideas about when you can let the cat out of the bag about the $6Million question? Not givin' you a hard time but it's clearly a deal breaker...if this camera is as bad as everyone says the DLux cameras were...then I've wasted the last decade waiting for this camera...
 
Where does "as bad as everyone says the Dlux cameras were..." come from??

Even Erwin's "flawed technique" shots at ISO 2500 were better than a Dlux at 400.


Kodak sensor with 6.8-micron pixels, Phase One (or whoever) image processing and Solms assembly
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Panasonic sensor with 2.5-micron pixels, Panasonic Venus image processing, and Takamatsu assembly??


This is like saying "if an M7 is as bad as everyone says the Leica C11 APS camera was..."
 
sreidvt said:
Hi Rex,

That will depend on the individual. Yesterday I was shifting it around every few minutes to hold the shutter speed and aperture settings I wanted.......
Cheers,

Sean
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Shifting ISO to hold a shutter speed and aperture? Boy, I have never done that, in fact, I never thought of that. But it does go to show if ISO settings were as accessable as shutter speed and aperture there would be one more variable to work with as it should be.......but not this time.

sigh.....maybe the M9.

Rex
 
sdai said:
Agreed ... but the reaction on the Internet is really, hysterical. ;)

I've no doubt that many sources will give the camera some really glowing reviews but, just in case, just in case ... dpreview only gives it an "Above Average" rating, will you cancel your pre-order?

I know I won't ... :D
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I sure hope that Irwin Puts' "test" isn't taken seriously by more than a few. The problem is that his site had the only verifiable pictures so naturally people are going to want to look at it. I've commented before that the pictures are out of focus and suffer from so many problems as to be almost useless. I say almost, because I myself don't see the bad things that others do. Frankly the pictures look pretty good for out of focus shots with beta software!

One thing for sure, I'm not cancelling my order over an out of focus picture of a Puts model in a rope dress.

I wish that Sean Reid and the other beta guys wouldn't be so darn ethical about revealing their findings and picture files.

LEICA, SET THEM FREE

Rex
 
DaveKennedy said:
Any ideas about when you can let the cat out of the bag about the $6Million question? Not givin' you a hard time but it's clearly a deal breaker...if this camera is as bad as everyone says the DLux cameras were...then I've wasted the last decade waiting for this camera...
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File quality like the D-Lux....? I'll be receiving a production M8 just after Photokina and will then be able to test and publish based on production-level firmware. Until then, look at the file quality of the Leica DMR and imagine the advances that could be made between the time that was first released and now.

Cheers,

Sean
 
rvaubel said:
Shifting ISO to hold a shutter speed and aperture? Boy, I have never done that, in fact, I never thought of that. But it does go to show if ISO settings were as accessable as shutter speed and aperture there would be one more variable to work with as it should be.......but not this time.

sigh.....maybe the M9.

Rex
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Hi Rex,

Many photographers do this. In the case I mentioned, I was photographing at the Tunbridge World's Fair in VT and wanted to hold a minimum of F/8 at 1/500 for one series. As the light levels changed, I changed ISO as needed. The habit we have of leaving ISO at one setting and only varying aperture and shutter speed is a carry-over from film, it will fall away (broadly speaking) with time.

Cheers,

Sean
 
The concern with EV compensation could be handled by switching the camera over to manual operation. That's always been my preferred way of dealing with tricky light anyway.
 
sdai said:
Those comments are completely unnecessary IMO ... you don't gain your audience by trashing others' "opinions".
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Unnecessary? Perhaps you would have preferred that he danced around the issue like a ballerina. What's wrong with being direct and here's something novel...speaking the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts and it is well deserved in this case IMHO.

I personally find the comments NECESSARY considering the damage Mr. Puts could have possibly caused. Leica should sue him! It's fine to express one's opinion but it is quite another to slander, lie and deceive. All of which Mr. Puts has selfishly done in the pursuit of having the glory of being the first to post M8 images.
 
newyorkone said:
What's wrong with being direct and here's something novel...speaking the truth.
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That's not direct but rude and arrogant ... and what's the truth, when the bloody FZ50 can be highly recommended? :confused:

Leica should sue him!
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Now I call that NAIVE, lad and it's completely out of whack. :)
 
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Many of those who have never really owned a Leica could never understand ... a true Leica will never have to be the latest and greatest. It's one of those things which don't need any justification ... like a Rolls Royce, if you can afford and want it, then buy it.
 
What I don't get is why the M8 must be compared to the Canon 5D?:confused: Can anyone explain that? The Nikon Dx2 would be nearer the mark...
 
Marc-A. said:
If the RD-1 is already much much better than any DSLR, I expect the M8 to be better than the RD-1, even just slightly.
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Big IF ... :)

Actually, I think we can be pretty confident the M8 will be a significant improvement on the RD1.
 
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Wow, there seems to be a lynch mob forming online for Puts across multiple photo/digital sites. I guess now that the camera is announced there is not much else to talk about until images are available. He really did put his foot in it with that "review".
 
Frankly, I don't think EITHER image gives any idea of what either camera can do. I'm guessing in the case of the M8. I'm 100% sure in the case of the 5D.
 
HAnkg said:
Wow, there seems to be a lynch mob forming online for Puts across multiple photo/digital sites. I guess now that the camera is announced there is not much else to talk about until images are available. He really did put his foot in it with that "review".
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Well, he should have known better....
 
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