JohnL
Very confused
No good reason, except, perhaps, that more people are familiar with 5D oerformance than DX2 ... Maybe?jaapv said:What I don't get is why the M8 must be compared to the Canon 5D?Can anyone explain that? The Nikon Dx2 would be nearer the mark...
jaapv
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It remains apples and oranges, although I am familiar with oranges...
newyorkone
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sdai said:Now I call that NAIVE, lad and it's completely out of whack.
Talk about hippocracy...
You say Phil is rude and arrogant and then you go on and use demeaning words like "NAIVE" (in all caps no less) and "lad" in a public forum.
Who's rude and arrogant?
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
What's that, the rule of the horses?
Philipp
John Camp
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jaapv said:What I don't get is why the M8 must be compared to the Canon 5D?
It's compared to the 5D because that's what Puts did, and he's the only one who has published image reviews. He apparently now uses Canon gear, and has given some of it very good reviews.
I don't want to start a flame war, so I'll emphasize that I think Canon gear is first-rate. Absolutely first-rate. But it's odd always to find Canon people bad-mouthing other cameras; in this whole discussion, over the three forums that I read, I don't think I've seen a single person who identified hismelf as a Nikon user, or an Olympus user, putting down the M8. (There are a few film users who do, but that's coming from a different direction.) But there are Canon people all over the place with invidious comments. What the heck is that all about? Canon's a great camera. So's the Nikon. So's the DMR. I think the M8 will be. But...jeez.
JC
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Paul T. said:
This is getting silly. Philipp was not the one calling anybody " lad" and he just had his little joke. it is Greek btw.
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Paul T.
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You're right, sorry. Not worth expending the electrons on, tho sometimes a joke ain't worth it when it prolongs the unpleasantness. Anyway, there comes a point when it's all greek to me...
(And don't think I didn't notice that late edit, LOL! Timing can be hyper-critical, no?)
(And don't think I didn't notice that late edit, LOL! Timing can be hyper-critical, no?)
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sdai
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I presumed that you all know in "formal English" lad only means a male person of any age between early boyhood and maturity (unless you thought of the Black Magician's Trilogy) ... it all refers to someone's idea of sueing Erwin Puts.
Still I'm quite surprised that some could really believe that Erwin Puts wanted to become the first one to post M8 images. My apologies if you were offended ...
Still I'm quite surprised that some could really believe that Erwin Puts wanted to become the first one to post M8 images. My apologies if you were offended ...
sdai
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jaapv said:What I don't get is why the M8 must be compared to the Canon 5D?
He actually did a favor to the M8 IMO because now it's being compared to a better DSLR in terms of image quality. Based on the images Erwin Puts once put up, the M8 definitely has better ISO performance than the D2X.
The overall tone of his writeup is quite positive ... so perhaps all the fuss was because Erwin put up the images first? I've no doubt that Leica and Puts will sort it out ... I don't understand how it could irritate the rest of the world.
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Paul T. said:
Your telepathic post was indeed surprising...
jaapv
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sdai said:
Yeah, ok but let's compare cropped CCD's to one another and leave the 35 mm Cmosses where they are.I still think CMOS technology is excellent now, but a dead end. I do feel the noise reduction applied to CMOS sensors, which are,afaik basically more noisy than CCD, is detrimental to the look of the photographs. Having said that, Canon certainly has the smoothest high-ISO files in the industry. But CCD is here to stay. A bit like Class A transistor amplifiers.
John
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We waited this long so it should be easy to wait for competent reviewing by Phil Askey and Sean Reid, yes? There is light at the end of the tunnel. This M8 will take good pictures and people will buy it.
Gabriel M.A.
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You've obviously never taken pictures in Paris during a late, overcast day.ywenz said:
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
True. Many people confuse Tang for oranges, though, which explains their amusing musings.jaapv said:
newyorkone
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sdai said:
Right...that's what lad means...and I'm sure that's what you meant and it wasn't demeaning at all.
Half-hearted apology accepted...
Now let's get back to the M8.
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fgianni
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JohnL said:
On picture quality maybe, on support definitely, but on ergonomics?
The RD-1 can be used sas an analogue RF camera, all the information you need are shown on the dials on the top plate, and all the controls you need are provided without needing to access the LCD.
The M8 on the other hand is much more digital than the RD-1, you really need the LCD for exposure compensation, ISO setting, and even to just look at wich ISO you have set the camera.
With the M8 I think you would really struggle to go trough a full day of shooting under different lighting conditions without using the LCD screen.
Jim Watts
Still trying to See.
Hi Sean,sreidvt said:
I do change ISO often especially when in low to moderate low light so the fact that this is menu driven is more of a problem for me than exposure compensation, but its not a deal breaker. I think that we (rightly if the possiblity is there) are expecting much more from digital than film in this respect. When I was shooting more film I had to change the roll to change the ISO :bang: or use two bodies with a different film in each.
I have just brought a Ricoh GRD, which I know you have used, the 'adjust wheel' means of changing ISO in the menu here seems pretty quick. If in the M8 ISO (can be made to) appear(s) on the first screen and changed with a quick couple of button presses it should be OK. An implementation like on the new Pentax DSLR would have been nice though. Set up and lower limits for ISO, set the exposure combination and let the camera vary the ISO between those limits.
Of course if I keep my RD-1 (which I will) and buy the M8 (which I am seriously considering) I could use two digital bodies. I note from one of your other posts that you intend to keep 1 RD-1 and add 1 M8. It seems to me from what I have heard of the M8 so far this would make a great combination as they compliment rather than duplicate one & other. Have you done any shoots using both? Can you share the experience?
The cost of the M8 in the UK although better than I expected is still high for me. I will probably end up selling my (fairly rare) black chrome M4 to fund an M8 purchase, but it will be reluctant to part with it as I have had it from new for over 30 years. Realistically though it has seen much less use since getting the RD-1 (mainly to cover the wide angle end) and an M8 with its frames and crop to give a wider field of view would satisfy me here.
Nachkebia
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Does it have something like auto iso with minimal shutter set? for example you set iso range, lets say 100-400 and minimum shutter you want to have lets say 1/30 ?
Jim Watts
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Nachkebia said:
Not sure, but I don't think so. It would probably make the range to limited. Probably better to change the combination of shutter speed and aperture:
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pentaxk10d/page5.asp
Nachkebia
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No it wont limit anything, you are still controling shutter if you are in manual mode, if you are in A mode it drops shutter to minimum as we said 1/30 and if light is not enough it bumps up iso.. check D2xs, D200 or D80