Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
That's it for me ... all the ad nauseam nudge , wink, chuckle etc replies that always permeate this type of post.
The OP's question was naive ... and the responses were predictable.
Ethical to photograph women in swim suits in public?
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That's it for me ... all the ad nauseam nudge , wink, chuckle etc replies that always permeate this type of post.
The OP's question was naive ... and the responses were predictable.
Gumby
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You certainly can't be serious... I'm not nudging, winking, or chuckling. Or am I misunderstanding you and you are referring to the other posts oriented toward political and generic silliness?
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Gumby
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Oh... sorry. I was scratching my head there... wondering. I think we "violently agree" then.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
willie_901
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You are not wrong.
At the same time the only enforceable ethics (morals) we have are laws. At the very least, established law is a reasonable starting point for describing ethical.moral behavior.
Otherwise codes of ethics are completely voluntary and subjective. If you disagree with an organization's code of ethics, don't join. If you find a law immoral... work to have it changed. There are people hard at work right now to amend the US Constitution to eliminate law they believe to be immoral/unethical. Sometimes these efforts succeed and then fail (Prohibition). I don't see any difference between responsible alcohol consumption and responsible photography. The key similarity is making every effort to be responsible.
Michael Markey
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Well I must admit that I thought the question so naive that it couldn't possibly be serious therefore it was asked, to put it bluntly, to cause a bit of bother.
Clearly I was wrong and that wasn't the case.
I'm still mildly surprised (Brit understatement) that the question needs to be asked by any mature adult.
That being so I'm drawn to the conclusion the reason may be to gain some tacit approval for said actions.
It was that which I found creepy.
Of course my view makes no allowance for different cultures where such matters may be viewed very differently.
More than happy to be corrected on those points.
ferider
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I couldn't believe I was the only one pointing that out, Michael. After all, RFF is an international forum.
The OP asked for ethics and the subject's expectations, both obviously very dependent on where in the world one is.
Also remember that the OP was posted from Texas, that - until last year - had a law against “improper photography” (Tex. Penal Code, sec. 21.15).
Many Americans (for example Gumby above) don't seem to understand that laws in other countries are not revenge based and do not care for an offender's intent, but instead judge only the outcome of a crime with the goal of preventing future damage.
Etc.
Because of the strong cultural dependence, I actually thought the OP asked a good question.
Roland.
Michael Markey
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Thanks Roland ... point taken.
Roger Hicks
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An old, chauvinist French proverb says something like "Life is like a Spanish inn. You get from it only what you bring to it."
Those who look for innuendo will find it without difficulty in this thread. Those who seek a political interpretation will find it. And so forth.
Cheers,
R.
Roger Hicks
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Dear Roland,
Actually, intent is important in English law. The actus reus, the wrongful act, must be preceded by the mens rea, the wrongful thought.
But -- and this is the important bit -- there must be an actus reus which, as you say, normally needs to result in harm or likely harm (e.g. drunk driving). "Being creepy" is not an actus reus. Nor, in any civilized country, is insulting a religion.
Cheers,
R.
Clark.EE
Well-known
Once more Roger talks sense to us.
I hope we dont go as far as overlt PC cousins over the pond.
But it is heading that way I fear.
My subject a couple of months ago for Photographic Club was "Wet & Windy".
Picture the scene.
On my way to Melton Mowbray on Market day.
Mid February about 3 degrees, pouring with rain, wind blowing straight from the Russian ssteppes.
You get the picture?
Anyway, stoppped at some traffic lights.
Perfect scene unfolded.
Women/children with Umbrellas blowing inside out. Holding on for dear life.
Soaking wet etc etc.
That night, just as we were about to sit down for supper. tap, tap, tap on the door!
I open the door to find what appeared to be a 12 year old Police officer.
"Were you driving the car registration fe***** this morning at 8.30am?"
Yes young man I replied.
"Can I have a private word please?"
The Mrs was there, I said I have nothing to hide, fire away.
"Were you taking Photographs on the Dalby Road?"
Hackles were up by now!
"I can take photographs where ever I like" I spouted.
At that point the Mrs Kicked me in the shin.
Anyway it transpired that I had been reported for taking pictures of Children near a school.
Showed him my pics & off he went.
Was this a good thing do we think?
Or the Nanny state gone too far.
in retrospect, in some ways maybe.
But I cant help thinking that the sort of people they are trying to catch are not going to be caught outside schools with a Camera in the pouring rain!
The Police have the internet here dont they?
Took about a week for them to come & see me when the Chainsaw went missing. But thats another story....
I hope we dont go as far as overlt PC cousins over the pond.
But it is heading that way I fear.
My subject a couple of months ago for Photographic Club was "Wet & Windy".
Picture the scene.
On my way to Melton Mowbray on Market day.
Mid February about 3 degrees, pouring with rain, wind blowing straight from the Russian ssteppes.
You get the picture?
Anyway, stoppped at some traffic lights.
Perfect scene unfolded.
Women/children with Umbrellas blowing inside out. Holding on for dear life.
Soaking wet etc etc.
That night, just as we were about to sit down for supper. tap, tap, tap on the door!
I open the door to find what appeared to be a 12 year old Police officer.
"Were you driving the car registration fe***** this morning at 8.30am?"
Yes young man I replied.
"Can I have a private word please?"
The Mrs was there, I said I have nothing to hide, fire away.
"Were you taking Photographs on the Dalby Road?"
Hackles were up by now!
"I can take photographs where ever I like" I spouted.
At that point the Mrs Kicked me in the shin.
Anyway it transpired that I had been reported for taking pictures of Children near a school.
Showed him my pics & off he went.
Was this a good thing do we think?
Or the Nanny state gone too far.
in retrospect, in some ways maybe.
But I cant help thinking that the sort of people they are trying to catch are not going to be caught outside schools with a Camera in the pouring rain!
The Police have the internet here dont they?
Took about a week for them to come & see me when the Chainsaw went missing. But thats another story....
Gumby
Veteran
I completely understand that Brit understatement. I question (American in-your-face bluntness/rudeness) if the question was asked by a mature adult... or it there isn't a bit of trolling going on.
But I wonder that with any posting on any forum that has the words "morality" or "ethical" in the title or question being asked.
Gumby
Veteran
It sounds to me like you already are there. :bang:
MickH
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I remember one about cute Asian women and another about girls on bicycles which did the place in for me.
I've been back for a couple of weeks now and can see that folk will still argue the toss about any/everything.
Plus ca change
Michael Markey
Veteran
If I was indeed guilty of cultural myopia ,and this being so obviously a culturally diverse forum ,then it seems even more daft to expect satisfactory answer to the question.
skopar steve
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Of course its a creepy thread. At reading the title one hesitates at clicking on the post and entering into an increasingly downward spiral. It has the train wreck attraction. You know what you will see is disturbing, but you look anyway.
As an immature 62 year old its fun to play adolescent every now and then. As far as this being the creepiest RFF post, I think the "Post your female Asian beauty Pics" thread had this beat.
As an immature 62 year old its fun to play adolescent every now and then. As far as this being the creepiest RFF post, I think the "Post your female Asian beauty Pics" thread had this beat.
skopar steve
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Michael,You beat me to naming the creepiest thread.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
I'm still trying to work out the exact meaning of "creepy".
"Anything to do with sex"?
"Anything I don't like to think about"?
"Anything I'm ashamed of thinking about"?
"Anything other than kittens and coffee cups"?
I assumed that the OP was asking an honest question that had been prompted either by living in a milieu governed by one or more of the above or (more likely) by an argument they'd had with someone who was overly under the influence of one or more of the above. Screaming "Ugh! Cooties!" and labelling the thread "creepy" strikes me as the odd part.
Cheers,
R.
"Anything to do with sex"?
"Anything I don't like to think about"?
"Anything I'm ashamed of thinking about"?
"Anything other than kittens and coffee cups"?
I assumed that the OP was asking an honest question that had been prompted either by living in a milieu governed by one or more of the above or (more likely) by an argument they'd had with someone who was overly under the influence of one or more of the above. Screaming "Ugh! Cooties!" and labelling the thread "creepy" strikes me as the odd part.
Cheers,
R.
