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I would not photograph the unknown to me.
Ethical to photograph women in swim suits in public?
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Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I don't really see that a swimsuit has much to do with it personally. If it's decent enough to be out in a public arena it's little different to a pair of jeans and sweater in reality.
Voyeurism with or without a camera is reprehensible IMO.
Voyeurism with or without a camera is reprehensible IMO.
vonfilm
Established
I am not absent. I just went to bed after I posed the question. I appreciate the thoughtful responses.
My personal opinion is that anything that is in public is fair game for photography and recording.
My personal opinion is that anything that is in public is fair game for photography and recording.
Gumby
Veteran
It is ethical under two conditions:
1. the photographer is wearing less apparel than the subject
or
2. the photographer is wearing a trench coat, hiding behind a tree/bush, and photographing with a long telephoto lens.
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1. the photographer is wearing less apparel than the subject
or
2. the photographer is wearing a trench coat, hiding behind a tree/bush, and photographing with a long telephoto lens.
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Jack Sparrow
Well-known
Unless it's a nude beach, where there's an unwritten rule of not taking photos - you're generally fine. Whether or not people will appreciate it... Is another matter.
rinzlerb
Established
Ask your wife. 🙂
daveleo
what?
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or your daughter !
ask yourself.... If I saw this guy with a telephoto lens making pictures of my daughter (grandaughter) on the beach .... slimy dirty looking guy with sunglasses and floppy hat hiding behind a trash can, his camera set on "movie mode" ... not hiding behind a trash can .... in a van with black frosted windows !!
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Daniel Teoli Jr.
Guest
Don't know?
I got chewed out from a lifeguard one time at a public pool. I snorkeled around a pool testing out a little UW video cam on people. he said I was a pedophile and was very mad.
I'd take photos at a pool if I wanted too. I'd have no ethical issues. Only requirement for me is this question...Is It Legal. If so, I do as I like.
back alley
IMAGES
is this a serious question?
can i ask how old you are?
it seems like a question that an inexperienced photographer would ask.
i know the internet is the source for all information 😉 but sometimes i think we would all be better off walking around and taking more pics...
vonfilm
Established
I am not concerned if my wife is photographed in her swim suit by a stranger. My wife's swim suit is tasteful and conservative. Women appear in public as they would like to be seen. They carefully choose their attire. I am talking about adults, not children.
Gumby
Veteran
or your mother !
Gumby
Veteran
So is your question more along the lines of, "Is it ethical to take pictures of women wearing skimpy and provocative swimware"?
Sparrow
Veteran
... is this woman homeless?
zauhar
Veteran
daveleo
what?
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The soup thickens !
The woman isn't homeless ... she is your [daughter, wife ....].
It's the photographer who is homelesss! His meager income is selling those movies through the windows of cars at stop lights. They are not very good movies (I bought a few), but .... 😀
willie_901
Veteran
If it's ethical to look at them, it's ethical to photograph them... especially if one has an excellent memory. Is it creepy to look at women in bathing suits?
Ethics usually offers to a coherent code of conduct practiced by members of an organization. This removes the fog of subjectivity. Most professional organizations have a code of ethics. Very few photographers belong to such an organization.
The question really is: is it moral behavior to photograph women in bathing suits who happen to have no legal expectation of privacy? The answer is entirely personal and completely situational. And there is a some degree of risk even if the photographer's behavior is completely legal.
Regardless, in Texas it is (was?) illegal due to a state law regarding candid photography and sexual gratification. Fortunately the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals recently ruled the law unconstitutional.
I don't have a link, but 4-8 years ago in New York State a photographer was sued by two women. Photographs were made of the women in bikinis at a public beach. The photographer won the case. In NY State expectation of privacy is defined as a situation where on can disrobe and reasonably expect not to be in view. This definition was recently applied in a failed law suit" against a photographer involving candid images displayed at an art show. Creepy or art? A subjective question that is inherently ambiguous and therefor meaningless.
Ethics usually offers to a coherent code of conduct practiced by members of an organization. This removes the fog of subjectivity. Most professional organizations have a code of ethics. Very few photographers belong to such an organization.
The question really is: is it moral behavior to photograph women in bathing suits who happen to have no legal expectation of privacy? The answer is entirely personal and completely situational. And there is a some degree of risk even if the photographer's behavior is completely legal.
Regardless, in Texas it is (was?) illegal due to a state law regarding candid photography and sexual gratification. Fortunately the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals recently ruled the law unconstitutional.
I don't have a link, but 4-8 years ago in New York State a photographer was sued by two women. Photographs were made of the women in bikinis at a public beach. The photographer won the case. In NY State expectation of privacy is defined as a situation where on can disrobe and reasonably expect not to be in view. This definition was recently applied in a failed law suit" against a photographer involving candid images displayed at an art show. Creepy or art? A subjective question that is inherently ambiguous and therefor meaningless.
skopar steve
Well-known
Looking through my images I could only find one. It was taken at the Bass Harbor lighthouse in Maine. What interested me was the shapes of the rocks and the subject.
After reading through this thread I was feeling all creepy until discovering I was in compliance with "Gumby's" first rule. I was less covered than the subject.
After reading through this thread I was feeling all creepy until discovering I was in compliance with "Gumby's" first rule. I was less covered than the subject.
Gumby
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I could be wrong but when these kind of issues are raised in the court the matter of morality is not really an issue. I believe the courts are more interested in the legality of the situation and the intent of the photographer, with an emphasis on determining the possibility that the photograph was taken for prurient reasons. So I'd expect a photographer to be questioned as to their "personal habits" before, during, and after photographing in a "questionable" situation.
robert blu
quiet photographer
Martin Parr
David Alan Harvey, Rio de Janeiro based on a true stroy
maybe it depends on your style, on your coinnection with the subject, on...
David Alan Harvey, Rio de Janeiro based on a true stroy
maybe it depends on your style, on your coinnection with the subject, on...
Larry Cloetta
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Since I'm the person who posted a comment which resulted in my being called a creepy scuz, by this person and his like minded brethren, I was amused to see the link to the photos from a Brazilian beach. I'm originally from Brazil, so maybe that explains my chauvinistic, but not remotely prurient, faux pas that, in this country, is now a thought crime.
So,.........racist!
