Dralowid
Michael
OK
I accept that my comments may have been unhelpful. Apologies.
I will not pre-judge this project on my memories of a long defunct 'Scotch' product.
I will look forward to what they produce, they have obviously done a fair amount of research which will help to define the qualities of the new product
No cynicism. Let's try it first and then pass comment, it is a big deal.
I accept that my comments may have been unhelpful. Apologies.
I will not pre-judge this project on my memories of a long defunct 'Scotch' product.
I will look forward to what they produce, they have obviously done a fair amount of research which will help to define the qualities of the new product
No cynicism. Let's try it first and then pass comment, it is a big deal.
Bille
Well-known
Ferrania offers exactly what one cant find in the Fujifilm portfolio?
Scrambler
Well-known
What they offer is an alternative.Ferrania offers exactly what one cant find in the Fujifilm portfolio?
By all means buy Fujifilm but what remains unknown is how their production model works scaled down. We know Kodak's has fairly large minimum runs. FILM Ferrania are aiming for small scale production.
Kodak are simply deleting products when production exceeds demand. This means products with fairly healthy demand that still doesn't meet their requirements for production size.
Fuji appear to be doing the same.
Ferrania on the other hand are tooling up for modest production runs.
hamradio
Well-known
I saw this yesterday, and put a little bit of money toward it. I didn't want any of the 'rewards'...I'll just buy the product when it's in actual production. The fact that an outfit wants to introduce an E6 film is important enough to me.
rjstep3
Established
I saw this yesterday, and put a little bit of money toward it. I didn't want any of the 'rewards'...I'll just buy the product when it's in actual production. The fact that an outfit wants to introduce an E6 film is important enough to me.
I absolutely agree, I just put my money down as well. It is good to see someone with initiative and it must be encouraged, for all our sakes.
I love using film, and since all I read is about the imminent demise of Kodak and Fuji keeps slimming down its offering, this is a great venture, I wish it success.
BTW, what was Scotchchrome like? I never used it ...
rjstep3
zauhar
Veteran
OK
I accept that my comments may have been unhelpful. Apologies.
I will not pre-judge this project on my memories of a long defunct 'Scotch' product.
I will look forward to what they produce, they have obviously done a fair amount of research which will help to define the qualities of the new product
No cynicism. Let's try it first and then pass comment, it is a big deal.
Someone needs to acknowledge your positive comment - these things spin out of control too fast on the internet.
All the best,
Randy
julio1fer
Well-known
Chimed in too. They look like they are aiming for the movie market, that' would explain why E6 first. I hope they can do later something close to old P30!
angelog
formerly agianelo
I joined in too. I think a strong show of support for film won't go un-noticed.
VertovSvilova
Well-known
Ferrania offers exactly what one cant find in the Fujifilm portfolio?
There are 6 coffee shops and 4 bakeries in my neighborhood. The third Japanese restaurant will be opening soon. No one is complaining. I think that most people prefer choice over single monopolies.
There are many manufacturers in the world that make similar products for consumers to choose from. There's nothing wrong with more options in film flavors, too.
gb hill
Veteran
Film Photography Project did an interview with Dave Bias formally of the Impossible Project now with Ferrania film.
http://filmphotographyproject.com/podcast/2014/09/film-photography-podcast-110-–-october-1-2014
http://filmphotographyproject.com/podcast/2014/09/film-photography-podcast-110-–-october-1-2014
dmc
Bessa Driver
IIRC they more or less gave these guys already the R&D lab with everything in it. Nice gesture I'd say. I'm just a bit concerned about the "triacetate". This degrades and because of it is replaced by polyester since some time. I hope it is just some historical way of speech.
Also, the Italian government is broke!
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tunalegs
Pretended Artist
Ferrania offers exactly what one cant find in the Fujifilm portfolio?
Hopefully a slide film that's not crossing into the territory of profiteer-level pricing.
Ferrania also was the last company to produce 126 cartridges, and it was suggested elsewhere much earlier on that they still have the means to make 126 if there is any market for it.
I shot a few rolls of Ferrania C-41 back when they supplied Walgreen's et al. and it was really not any worse than Kodak or Fuji's efforts in the snapshooter film market.
Scotchchrome was also not their "latest and greatest" in terms of slide film technology. I have a feeling they're just saying the name because it's one Americans will be familiar with. I would assume they're going start off with whatever was current when Ferrania closed, rather than go back to Scotchchrome. I believe they're starting with a slide film because this is what most people who talked to them were interested in. The demand for a decent priced slide film is there, but Fuji isn't stepping up to the plate (even though they supply Agfa with a decent priced slide film).
mfunnell
Shaken, so blurred
I'm a pretty committed digital shooter, but I like film too. I've not been much for shooting slide film because of the inconvenience factor. In fact I haven't been shooting colour film of any kind because of the inconvenience factor (which is much more inconvenient than even just a few years ago).
However, I'm making an exception here because I want to encourage this. I'm in for four rolls of 120 and 4 of 35mm. Here's hoping their campaign gets up!
...Mike
However, I'm making an exception here because I want to encourage this. I'm in for four rolls of 120 and 4 of 35mm. Here's hoping their campaign gets up!
...Mike
thegman
Veteran
I'm a pretty committed digital shooter, but I like film too. I've not been much for shooting slide film because of the inconvenience factor. In fact I haven't been shooting colour film of any kind because of the inconvenience factor (which is much more inconvenient than even just a few years ago).
However, I'm making an exception here because I want to encourage this. I'm in for four rolls of 120 and 4 of 35mm. Here's hoping their campaign gets up!
...Mike
May I ask why it's inconvenient? I find film much more convenient these days that film stores and processing is all available online, pay with PayPal not cheque, scans in Dropbox not a CD.
Taking into account inflation, I think it's probably no more expensive either.
Fernando2
Well-known
I think a strong show of support for film won't go un-noticed.
Very interesting thought: I fully agree!
A strong success of their KickStarter project may have echoes elsewhere.
Fernando
PS: they marched past the 50% mark.
mfunnell
Shaken, so blurred
It used to be that I could go into a shop near where I worked and drop the film (120 or 35mm) in the morning on the way to work and pick up the negatives at knock-off time or only a couple of hours later (I generally wanted to scan them myself). On holiday I could easily get 35mm developed and in many places I visited frequently I knew where to get 120 film developed as well, use lab scans and keep the negatives for scanning when I got home. Now all those places are closed (in Canberra, where my father lives, last time I looked there was nobody who processed 120 film at all at the retail level; same at the Gold Coast).May I ask why it's inconvenient? I find film much more convenient these days that film stores and processing is all available online, pay with PayPal not cheque, scans in Dropbox not a CD.
Taking into account inflation, I think it's probably no more expensive either.
These days I can send film off and have it (a) delivered nicely folded, spindled and mutilated straight to my mailbox; or (b) have it sent as a package, which I can only collect at a post office which isn't open outside the hours I work. I tried a post office box but had difficulty actually getting things delivered to it and spent a lot of time tracking lost packages down. I can take film in to places in Sydney who will develop it and where I can pick it up. But "same day" isn't really possible without a lot of expense; and organising myself to go in and collect it is either transportationally difficult (train schedules at lunch hour being what they are, and parking in the city costing what it does) during the week; or it interferes with my other plans if I have to collect it on a weekend.
It used to be that I could shoot film for a week or three; pick a day of a convenient weekend to train it into the city, take some photos and drop that film plus the backlog at, say, Teds or three or four other stores. I could then wander to the pub, have a few beers (over maybe an hour), collect my negatives and be on my way. It doesn't really happen that way any more. Some of those stores are now shut and those (like Teds) that aren't are not processing things so quickly.
Black and white I can develop and scan myself. Digital or scanned, I can process and print myself on my own schedule.
It's not that the difficulties are insurmountable (far from it). Just inconvenient. I've just not been sufficiently motivated to be inconvenienced. Digital has been fine for colour (and my B&W conversions are, if not good, then at least better). Developing my own black and white has worked for me as well.
Colour film is no longer casual, it requires planning and an allocation of time. So I just haven't bothered so much.
ChrisLivsey
Veteran
Ferrania offers exactly what one cant find in the Fujifilm portfolio?
Is this an argument for a single monopoly supplier?
I can't find Tri-X or HP5+ in the Fujifilm list, the differences between emulsions that are in the same "class" are significant and welcome as is another producer who is planning to support a range of formats now neglected.
Even if they were only going to produce 16mm movie film I would support them, as I have, just for the message it sends out.
Actually I would probably buy an old Bolex, you think 35mm still film cameras are cheap, in fact I might anayway.
Solinar
Analog Preferred
Kodak are simply deleting products when production exceeds demand. This means products with fairly healthy demand that still doesn't meet their requirements for production size.
Fuji appear to be doing the same.
This is exactly what has been happening. If a film doesn't sell well enough to justify a large run - on an existing large scale production plant - it is eliminated.
For Fuji or Kodak to stay in the game longer - they too will have invest in smaller plants that can be profitable doing smaller production runs.
Frankly, I don't see that as scenario that will happen anytime soon at Kodak.
tsiklonaut
Well-known
For Fuji or Kodak to stay in the game longer - they too will have invest in smaller plants that can be profitable doing smaller production runs.
Frankly, I don't see that as scenario that will happen anytime soon at Kodak.
I REALLY REALLY hope Fuji understands this and goes on the Ilford route - cut back, but still run a profitable business based on high quality products.
Ferrania has the "LOMO?" questionmark on it's shoulders - they try to revive the old mass production equipment to cut down costs, but I hope it's not the Scotch mk2 in the making with marketing as their main weapon, i.e. expensive and poor quality (like expired LOMO films hyped up for hipsters to buy them for exorbitant prices).
I hope Ferrania do their new slide film along the lines of Fuji Provia, maybe not as top notch quality but at a slightly less price and also sell their own home developable E6 chemistry, since E6 development is increasingly hard to find at reasonable prices. It'd be then a complete package offered to clients. So logically they should pursue both film and chemistry (as i.e. Ilford or Fuji both do), or do a co-operation with i.e. Tetenal if they can't manage the developing chemistry part themselves.
mfunnell
Shaken, so blurred
No guarantees, of course, but they do state in their FAQ:[...]and also sell their own home developable E6 chemistry, since E6 development is increasingly hard to find at reasonable prices. It'd be then a complete package offered to clients. So logically they should pursue both film and chemistry (as i.e. Ilford or Fuji both do), or do a co-operation with i.e. Tetenal if they can't manage the developing chemistry part themselves.
...MikeWhere and how do I process this film?
This first batch will be able to be processed in standard E-6 chemistry at any existing film or cinema lab that offers E-6 services.
We will be publishing a more extensive overview of E-6 as an update before the end of this campaign.[my emphasis]
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