Ffordes robbed

[Bille]

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4693691354/200k-in-leica-gear-stolen-from-scottish-camera-store

Also, can someone explain in the jokes in the comment section at dpreview?

 

[Paul T.]

https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166355

 

[Black]

Technically, they've been burgled, not robbed ����

 

[Larry Cloetta]

Technically, they've been burgled, not robbed ����

Robbery

Robbery is defined by the law as taking or trying to take something from someone that has value by utilizing intimidation, force or threat. In order for robbery to take place, a victim must be present at the scene.

Burglary

Burglary is defined by the law as the unlawful entry to a structure to commit theft or a felony. In order for burglary to take place, a victim does not have to be present.

 

[zuikologist]

Good to see there may be some clues. It would be difficult to offload those items in one go, but this may have been burgled-to-order so possibly already to their destination. I hope they find the culprits.

 

[Black]

Robbery

Robbery is defined by the law as taking or trying to take something from someone that has value by utilizing intimidation, force or threat. In order for robbery to take place, a victim must be present at the scene.

Burglary

Burglary is defined by the law as the unlawful entry to a structure to commit theft or a felony. In order for burglary to take place, a victim does not have to be present.

US definitions for a UK crime ;-)

Anyway, bad times. Looks like the offenders were fairly seasoned.

 

[raid]

The FBI defines four types of crimes as "violent crimes". They do not include burglary.

"In the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Violent crimes are defined in the UCR Program as those offenses which involve force or threat of force."

 

[Roger Hicks]

US definitions for a UK crime . . .

Nope. The UK distinction is the same: see https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.u...ifference-between-theft-robbery-and-burglary/

Cheers,

R.

 

[Black]

Nope. The UK distinction is the same: see https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.u...ifference-between-theft-robbery-and-burglary/

Cheers,

R.

Actually, you're wrong, Roger. The definition of burglary is far more complex. But as you're the established figure here, I'll just nod in humble agreement and bow to your obvious experience in these matters.

 

[David Hughes]

It was more difficult in the UK when the distinction was between burglary and breaking and entering. The mnemonic for B&E was INBED* and the age of that shows how they stick in your mind.

Regards, David.

* Intent to commit a crime, Night time, Breaking, Entering and a Dwelling house. I was told that nearly 60 years ago.

 

[Roger Hicks]

Actually, you're wrong, Roger. The definition of burglary is far more complex. But as you're the established figure here, I'll just nod in humble agreement and bow to your obvious experience in these matters.

All right, it is more complex. But without going into even more depth than the link I gave, it's a pretty useful and straightforward distinction. Burglary doesn't involve assault*. Robbery does.

*but not necessarily battery. And of course burglary may involve an intention to assault, including rape, but the act of trespass suffices.

But you knew all that anyway. Sorry, I didn't realize you had a law degree too.

Cheers,

R.

 

[Larry Cloetta]

I didn't mean to start a fight, was just trying to be helpful.

 

[ptpdprinter]

Meanings have changed from the common law as criminal statutes have been enacted. At common law, burglary was distinct from robbery in that burglary was the breaking and entering the dwelling house of another at night* with the intention of committing a crime, whereas robbery was taking the property of another accomplished by an assault. For what the terms mean today, you would have to look at the law of each individual jurisdiction. They differ.

*Lots of early cases turned on whether the incident occurred before or after sunset.

 

[raid]

Oh well, then I chime in with some statistics!

 

[Roger Hicks]

I didn't mean to start a fight, was just trying to be helpful.

Dear Larry,

You were. I can't quite understand the objections.

Cheers,

R.

 

[Bille]

I still wonder about the "So essentially they stole about 3 CLs, 2 L mount lenses and a replacement battery." jokes... Anyone?

 

[clachnacuddin]

Nope. The UK distinction is the same: see https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.u...ifference-between-theft-robbery-and-burglary/

Cheers,

R.

As the crime took place in Scotland, it would not be classed as burglary as no such offence exists under Scots law, although burglary is easier than 'theft by opening lockfast places'.

 

[Roger Hicks]

As the crime took place in Scotland, it would not be classed as burglary as no such offence exists under Scots law, although burglary is easier than 'theft by opening lockfast places'.

Excellent point: you are of course quite right. I am guilty of the same offence that annoys me so often in others: forgetting that there is no such thing as uniform UK law.

Cheers,

R.

 

[ForestCap]

I still wonder about the "So essentially they stole about 3 CLs, 2 L mount lenses and a replacement battery." jokes... Anyone?

I think they just meant Leica gears are overpriced.