Film and Cows

[marcr1230]

I was reading somewhere that gelatin used in film is
produced from processing cattle bones

Among the nuggets of info - don't feed the cows mustard seed, that causes the film to be exposed before its time. Young cows better than old and male better than female.

It's amazing to me that we are shooting on such a substance. It's alchemy, not just the gelatin but also the silver halide crystals mixed in and shaped just so. The mechanical camera looks space age compared to the film.

Clearly a lot of the feel of film is due to the biological and chemical artifact of capturing the image on a pudding of gelatin and silver

I think years from now we film users and film technology will be looked at like Merlin the magician

Just my thoughts on the ride home

Will digital ever look so earthy and primordial?

 

[noisycheese]

...I think years from now we film users and film technology will be looked at like Merlin the magician...

That's pretty much the reaction I get when I tell people that I shoot only film - no digital - and that I develop my own film, whether it's B&W, C41 or E6.

People are like 😱 - you'd think I had told them that I am a warlock who changes my dog's poop into diamonds.

 

[Pfreddee]

noisycheese, have you figured out how to changes your dog's poop to diamonds?! It sounds like a great idea!😀

With best regards,

Pfreddee(Stephen)

If you have let me know. I've got three (count 'em, three) d0gs living with me.

 

[mbisc]

I was reading somewhere that gelatin used in film is
produced from processing cattle bones

Had a girlfriend once who wouldn't do film photography (and therefore only digital) because the gelatin in film was from animals -- relationship didn't last long 😛

 

[Blooze]

noisycheese, have you figured out how to changes your dog's poop to diamonds?! It sounds like a great idea!😀

With best regards,

Pfreddee(Stephen)

If you have let me know. I've got three (count 'em, three) d0gs living with me.

No kidding! I could make 5 gallons worth of diamonds a week. Wouldn't that be an excellent party trick?

 

[znapper]

Well, vegans are usually pretty blown in the head, if they had control, the world would grind to a halt in a week.

It's not like the film industry has its own slaughterhouses or crops of life-stock to make gelatine, it simply utilize the byproducts from the meat-industry, which is a good way to be eco-friendly, as long as people eat meat.

There are also claims that the gelatine is made from whale-meat, which is pure bullcrap, but it just shows how big lies vegans like to make, to save their pretty little animals.

Gladly, a vegan would not last more than 2 weeks, tops, in the wild. This is a simple way to prove that the whole fundamental ideology of theirs, is as close to bull**** that you can possibly get.

 

[mfogiel]

Well, Golden Retrievers like me are known for generating diamonds...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=172_1268871752
As to film being an outdated technology, have a look what car we sent to admire into the inter galactic space:
http://mondoinbiancoenero.com/time-capsule/

 

[Sejanus.Aelianus]

There are also claims that the gelatine is made from whale-meat, which is pure bullcrap, but it just shows how big lies vegans like to make, to save their pretty little animals.

Interesting, where did you see that? I've never heard a claim like that and I'm pretty sure I would, seeing that the "Whale and Dolphin" Journal lands here every quarter. Not, of course, that I'm suggesting you made that up, to go with the rest of that rather tiresome post. 🙄

As a somewhat indiscriminate omnivore myself, I'll also point out that Vegans would actually survive rather better in the wild than most humans. Ask any evolutionary biologist or just your local doctor.

...and finally, a cat speaks on the subject of dogs and diamonds: "Dogs have uses other than for sharpening your claws? Well, I never. Where's the food?"

 

[bjornkeizers]

Yep, even knowing how the process works, it's still magic to me that it actually does work.

I developed my first roll of film in december (Minox 8x11 B&W), and it definitely made me feel like a bad-ass doing it. 😎

You should've seen the look on my colleague's faces when I told them. I couldn't have gotten weirder stares if I'd grown a second and third head...

 

[Sejanus.Aelianus]

I couldn't have gotten weirder stares if I'd grown a second and third head...

You would certainly get a stare from me! After two failures at developing 8x11 (and I've been processing and printing for a lot more than 40 years) I'm seriously impressed that you managed it on your first try.

Well done that man! 🙂

 

[Photo_Smith]

I was reading somewhere that gelatin used in film is
produced from processing cattle bones

Among the nuggets of info - don't feed the cows mustard seed, that causes the film to be exposed before its time.

Actually mustard is good for raising the sensitivity of emulsions and gave us the quote "If cows didn't like mustard we couldn't go to the movies"-C.E.K Mees
CEK Mees
Kodak did in fact have their own herd, raised on a high sulpher diet for this very reason as sulpher makes the silver halides much more sensitive if we didn't use it ISO would top out at around 6.

 

[bjornkeizers]

You would certainly get a stare from me! After two failures at developing 8x11 (and I've been processing and printing for a lot more than 40 years) I'm seriously impressed that you managed it on your first try.

Well done that man! 🙂

Thank you, that's a great compliment! I'm sure I'll have some failures along the way, but so far I'm doing fine 😀

Of course, since it was my first self developed roll EVER, I did follow procedure very strictly. Timed everything with my iPod, mixed chemicals precisely down to the ML, followed the temperature guides exactly… that's also why it took me 45 minutes to get the first one developed. I was using Minox's special 'daylight development tank', so I figured… the more precise I work, the less variables that could go wrong.

You should've seen the smile when I hung up that first strip of film!

 

[znapper]

Interesting, where did you see that? I've never heard a claim like that and I'm pretty sure I would, seeing that the "Whale and Dolphin" Journal lands here every quarter. Not, of course, that I'm suggesting you made that up, to go with the rest of that rather tiresome post. 🙄

Tiresome post, because I really can't stand Vegans..? Get over yourself.

I've seen the claim popping up on discussion-forums now and then, usually as part of an anti-whaling Japanese/Fuji slander operation.
- For the record, Fuji does _not_ use any whaling products in their film.

As a somewhat indiscriminate omnivore myself, I'll also point out that Vegans would actually survive rather better in the wild than most humans. Ask any evolutionary biologist or just your local doctor.

Wrong. If you followed Discovery's series about putting the modern man into the wild and let them hunt/live/eat like prehistoric man, they ended up CARRYING OUT the only participant that was Vegan. The reason was, that she didn't have a clue on how to get enough foods in her, the right foods and her morals crashed from the get-go. Why?
Because when everyone else went into ketosis (fat-burning) because of hunger, she didn't have any fat to burn, so she crashed, "got sick" and cried and whined for 5 more days before she was carried out by the film-crew.

- An evolutionary dead end, literally.
Eat both meat and greens and be happy.

 

[Roger Hicks]

Tiresome post, because I really can't stand Vegans..? Get over yourself.

I've seen the claim popping up on discussion-forums now and then, usually as part of an anti-whaling Japanese/Fuji slander operation.
- For the record, Fuji does _not_ use any whaling products in their film.

Wrong. If you followed Discovery's series about putting the modern man into the wild and let them hunt/live/eat like prehistoric man, they ended up CARRYING OUT the only participant that was Vegan. The reason was, that she didn't have a clue on how to get enough foods in her, the right foods and her morals crashed from the get-go. Why?
Because when everyone else went into ketosis (fat-burning) because of hunger, she didn't have any fat to burn, so she crashed, "got sick" and cried and whined for 5 more days before she was carried out by the film-crew.

- An evolutionary dead end, literally.
Eat both meat and greens and be happy.

Morale?

Ten or twenty years ago, there was a book called "How To Cook Your Pet". I proposed a book to the same publisher called "The Vegetarian Cookbook" including recipes for vegetarian sausages made with real vegetarians, and hints on how to trap them. They turned it down. Some people have no sense of humour.

Then there was a cook-book that I did write, and illustrate, about barbecue cookery. The (vegetarian) editor said, "There's too many big slabs of meat in it..."

Incidentally, mustard "sensitizing" is now reproduced (and improved) synthetically with all kinds of additives. It was much more important 100 years ago, but the sulphur content in gelatine is as important as ever. For paper, gelatine is mixed with synthetic latexes but as far as I recall that doesn't work with film. I'm at the limit of my memory and knowledge here: Marty (Freakscene) could no doubt be far more enlightening.

Cheers,

R.

 

[znapper]

Her morale, yes indeed, my second language and all that..... 🙂
I suppose "morals" would indicate that she suddenly started sleeping around with the participants in the camp ^_^

"how to trap them"
HAHAHA! Funny ^^

 

[Sejanus.Aelianus]

Ten or twenty years ago, there was a book called "How To Cook Your Pet". I proposed a book to the same publisher called "The Vegetarian Cookbook" including recipes for vegetarian sausages made with real vegetarians, and hints on how to trap them. They turned it down. Some people have no sense of humour.

Well, there was of course Damon Knight's short story on that subject. 😀

 

[Rodchenko]

Well, vegans are usually pretty blown in the head, if they had control, the world would grind to a halt in a week.

It's not like the film industry has its own slaughterhouses or crops of life-stock to make gelatine, it simply utilize the byproducts from the meat-industry, which is a good way to be eco-friendly, as long as people eat meat.

There are also claims that the gelatine is made from whale-meat, which is pure bullcrap, but it just shows how big lies vegans like to make, to save their pretty little animals.

Gladly, a vegan would not last more than 2 weeks, tops, in the wild. This is a simple way to prove that the whole fundamental ideology of theirs, is as close to bull**** that you can possibly get.

This is unnecessarily and unwarrantedly aggressive.

 

[znapper]

This is unnecessarily and unwarrantedly aggressive.

Compared to what they claim I and other meat-eaters deserve for eating meat (experience an imminent and miserable death), I'd say it's actually quite calm and collected. :angel:

 

[Roger Hicks]

Compared to what they claim I and other meat-eaters deserve for eating meat (experience an imminent and miserable death), I'd say it's actually quite calm and collected. :angel:

Though to be fair, the number of things which will make you die immediately and horribly is quite extraordinary and grows by the day: driving 10 yards without a seat-belt, drinking more alcohol than is contained in one small weak beer a month, eating whatever the crank-of-the-week disapproves of, sex, celibacy, owning a gun, not owning a gun, cycling, not cycling, failing to wear a cycle helmet, religion, atheism...

Cheers,

R.

 

[marcr1230]

The difference is nobody made any claims in this thread that warranted your initial response

This thread has been totally hijacked from its original purpose which was to express amazement and enjoyment

Moderators , feel free to lock this one

Compared to what they claim I and other meat-eaters deserve for eating meat (experience an imminent and miserable death), I'd say it's actually quite calm and collected. :angel: