Film Ferrania: Most delayed Kickstarter Product EVER? (2014-19)
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zuiko85
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Well I'll be, your right. Just checked my local target and my computer machine says they have some stock. No B&W though, but they can order it. Instant appears to be a growth area for film.
DanskDynamit
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I dont think so.
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Dave Bias still gives updates on Photrio. They also have added new video updates to their website. Overpromising and under-delivering has burned them in the past, so they are staying quiet until they finally can ship a final product (P30 B&W).
Jim B.
Ted Striker
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P30 is an awful film. I bought five rolls of the stuff and the results from the first roll were so unusable that I just tossed the rest. Not even remotely a finished product.
Mr_Flibble
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Dang, you should've tossed it my way.
css9450
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Or put it up on Ebay.
I shot two rolls.... I found it much too contrasty, at least for my developing and scanning abilities. So I listed the rest of the rolls I bought for $12 each, and they sold within one day! Some folks like the film I guess.
I shot two rolls.... I found it much too contrasty, at least for my developing and scanning abilities. So I listed the rest of the rolls I bought for $12 each, and they sold within one day! Some folks like the film I guess.
DanskDynamit
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no, I don't even care about the rewards anymore, I just hope they send some P30 crap at some point. Even if they get the factory running, I will never support them, you don't treat people who trusted you like this.
leicapixie
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A photographer i know who only does BW and by chance lives in Florence, where the film is available as well as Milan, Rome. Venice and 1 other Italian city.. The ISO very low.. It is contrasty.
The results were super!
css9450
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That's the quandary. I've seen such excellent results from others.
I exposed mine at ISO 80. Maybe I should have used 50 or 25? In the end I decided to stick with Delta 100.
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I love the stuff. The most unique B&W film I've ever shot. I'm looking forward to replenishing my supply. Plus they plan to make it in 120 too.
Jim B.
Larry Cloetta
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I really like it as well, though I scan instead of wet printing, so I have not found the inherent contrast to be any kind of disadvantage. Were I wet printing, it might be different; at least one experienced wet printer here has found it to be unusable for his purposes. For my taste, and the way I use it, P30 is much more than “usable”, it’s one of the top five available emulsions, to my eye, considering everything out there. Shot at 80 or 100.
But, that’s a taste thing, not a “fact” that anyone else has to accommodate themselves to. I like the way “the pictures come out” , more than I am worried about the total response curve, so bear that in mind. Caveat emptor
Like others, though, I hope but am not sure they will be able to produce any more.
I have posted this shot before, Contax G1 45mm Planar P30 @ 80 ASA in D76 1:1. Is it too contrasty? I don’t know, maybe. This is what I get, this is what others get. Works for me, poor curves and all. But, all the negativity I see about this film, that I don’t understand.
But, that’s a taste thing, not a “fact” that anyone else has to accommodate themselves to. I like the way “the pictures come out” , more than I am worried about the total response curve, so bear that in mind. Caveat emptor
Like others, though, I hope but am not sure they will be able to produce any more.
I have posted this shot before, Contax G1 45mm Planar P30 @ 80 ASA in D76 1:1. Is it too contrasty? I don’t know, maybe. This is what I get, this is what others get. Works for me, poor curves and all. But, all the negativity I see about this film, that I don’t understand.
css9450
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Its contrasty, but not excessively so I think. I can still see the details in his black shirt for example. His face is fantastic! It was probably the right film for light inside that tent.
Huss
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Looks great to me. I think it would be used as a tool appropriate for the job. If you want 'normal' use a different film. If you want contrasty use this.
Why make a new film that is the same as other films already available?
ptpdprinter
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It is not intended or marketed as a high contrast film. That's just how it turns out with most processing. It is still in beta, so how it behaves in its final form is unknown.
jawarden
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Why did you buy five rolls of an alpha product if you were interested only in success on the first try? Which best practices version did you use with P30 before giving up on the first try and declaring the film "awful"?
My first roll was so contrasty that it was completely unusable. My second roll was better than the first. My third roll was better than the second, using an updated best practices document from Ferrania. My experience with the film was positive overall and I look forward to the final production version.
Ted Striker
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I had virtually no image on my negatives when exposed at ISO 80. ISO 25 would have been better but my guess is that this film needs ISO 8 to truly burn an image in. At ISO 80 the results were utterly unusable, scans showed almost no image at all.
Ted Striker
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It was the most unique B&W film I ever shot too. 99% of the image was missing from the final product! I could only make out the very faintest image after developing. It was like looking at the Shroud of Turin.
I tossed all my rolls in the garbage after see how awful the results were from the first roll.
Plus, you can't even use the film in a camera with a power winder! How ridiculous is that? Ferrania specifically warns against that.
Ted Striker
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Exactly. All this "it's a contrasty film" is just hyperbole. The film was never intended to be as such. Previous versions of P30 were not so contrasty.
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