Film is dead

[Bertram2]

d)

Marketing? I didn't even see a link for a book, so if that's what it was, it missed me completely. Did anyone here buy the book based on clicking on the link? Hands in the air, folks.
Hmmm. Seems that if that was the point, it didn't work.
Best Regards,
Bill Mattocks

Bill,
I found your answer really remarkable ! Stunning how easy it is for you to make it all so very simple, you just throw all logic overboard !!
I mean if you did not see the link this proves nothing than that you are not very attentive, but not that is has been invisible ! 😀
O.K., I got really enuff now of this discussion here, I'm off.
Bertram

 

[bmattock]

Stunning how easy it is for you to make it all so very simple, you just throw all logic overboard !!

One of the hallmarks of my life, buddy. Let's not get mad at each other over this!

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

 

[DougK]

Which would you prefer on your mantle: a hand-crafted sculpture created by the artist or a machine made mass produced sculpture?

Sorry, I don't buy this argument, it's simply ridiculous. The same statement could be made comparing a film-based image to a painting. By your reasoning as stated here, since all cameras are machines then all photos are "machine-made and mass-produced" and therefore worth less than a hand-made painting.

I'll bet you're not willing to say the film-based print has less artistic value than the painting, so why would you say the digital photo has less artistic value than the film photo?

 

[FrankS]

Absolutely no reason to become angry. Heated is a good thing IMHO as it demonstrates that the discussion was rousing and stumulating. Good for the brain.

 

[Andy K]

Sorry, I don't buy this argument, it's simply ridiculous. The same statement could be made comparing a film-based image to a painting. By your reasoning as stated here, since all cameras are machines then all photos are "machine-made and mass-produced" and therefore worth less than a hand-made painting.

I'll bet you're not willing to say the film-based print has less artistic value than the painting, so why would you say the digital photo has less artistic value than the film photo?

I could make 10 prints from one negative. Every print will be slightly different, there will be slight differences in time in the developer, temperature etc etc. Digital inkjet prints will all be identical and have a 'mass produced' feel.
If you are happy with inkjet prints, that's fine, it's your choice. I am simply articulating my own preference for hand-crafted wet prints. I will happily pay £100 for a well crafted wet print, I would not give tuppence for an inkjet print. That is my choice.

 

[Socke]

Andy, if you start from a scan every time you make an inkjet, or lightjet or whatever, print you'll get the same variation.

If you want ten different prints at the same time, just use different paper and you're set.

When I order ten prints from my negs at a lab, I get ten prints which won't differantiate between each other more than the human eye can see.

My grandfather was very proud that he can retouche and print to constand specifications. it mostly took him some testprints to diskuss the possibilities with his clients, but after that was decided he could reproduce every print he made.

 

[exaktamoment]

Absolutely no reason to become angry. Heated is a good thing IMHO as it demonstrates that the discussion was rousing and stumulating. Good for the brain.

I agree with Frank, for what it's worth. Given that the proposition is subjective (Film is dead - not supported by any concrete fact - like a gravestone, for example) any opinion rendered by anyone is valid, so long as it is honest and not proferred in order to instigate an argument. And that's my opinion.

Lou

 

[justins7]

Film will be as dead as oil painting is today.

Film will be as dead as oil painting is today.

What a hackneyed subject.

Film will be as dead as oil painting is today. In other words, not dead. It has become, instead, an art medium.

Does this guy know that photography schools, notably ICP in New York, continues to work with film, keeps a busy darkroom, etc. And I know someone who is opening the first major photography school in Manila, Phillipines and what are they building there first? A darkroom.

 

[GordonSBuck]

Scenario:

The year is 2105, a kid is playing in a derelict building and finds two boxes. One is full of old pictures of a time long past, the other is full of shiny disks labelled 'photos'.

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Will the "pictures" have been made from the "shiny disks"?


-- Gordon

 

[cp_ste.croix]

What is a dead pixel?

little dots on your lcd screen that are evidence of a pixel no longer working...they can also occour on your sensor, leaving you with images with little white dots (or other colours)

admittedly they are relatively rare just yet, but it speaks to the medium aging.

of course, I am only trying to answer a question here and not stir up any more of this debate...

 

[Andy K]

little dots on your lcd screen that are evidence of a pixel no longer working...they can also occour on your sensor, leaving you with images with little white dots (or other colours)

admittedly they are relatively rare just yet, but it speaks to the medium aging.

of course, I am only trying to answer a question here and not stir up any more of this debate...

Ok, thanks for the update. Surely a quick dust with a lens brush...

 

[cp_ste.croix]

Ok, thanks for the update. Surely a quick dust with a lens brush...

it's an internal rather than external problem...depending on warranty, camera companies may remap your screens and sensors for you.

 

[titrisol]

a bug in the windshield

What is a dead pixel?

 

[Bertram2]

Let's not get mad at each other over this!
Best Regards,
Bill Mattocks

No we won't get mad over this. There are enuff other things insane enuff to get mad about .It's a place for grown-ups here and not a Kindergarden, right ?. 😉
Congrats and all the best wishes btw, as I just read it is your birthday today !!
Bertram