awbphotog
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Hah! You kiddin' me, Keith? Kodak park is a scary part of Rochester now that Kodak's presence is all but gone. I'd bet that most of the towns homeless reside in/around the business park!
That being said, I love Rochester. I've been living here for 6 years now and it has finally started to grow on me.
FrankS
Registered User
I see dead film.
JayM
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Can someone at Photokina save me a lock of Kaufmann's hair?
Mcary
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Do you really the think the Canon 6D and Nikon D600 will even put a tiny dent in the sells figures of ASP-C DSLRs? The average consumer, simply isn't going to decide to buy a $2000+ camera over one that cost $500-$700.
Bet on average Canon/Nikon sells One 6D/D600 for every 20-30 D3200/Digital Rebels.
fstops
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I don't know about Canon, but D600 will push a lot of APS-C hold outs to move to FF, and these people will be selling their APS-C lenses and cameras, which in turn mean no sane person would buy brand new APS-C lenses and bodies when they get very cheap ones used. This situation will slow down the sales of APS-C lenses and cameras to a standstill, which will force the companies to focus more on shedding inventory through discounts (already very common) than bringing new stuff or even making the existing stuff.
APS-C sensor will live through mirrorless for sometime to come, but APS-C DSLRs, especially high-end ones are pretty much a thing of the past.
I have to agree with fstops... I think we will see full frame low end Nikon/Canon DSLRs in the next two years. $599.
kmallick
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Of course APS-C could be relegated to P&S, super low end DSLRs ($300 or so), and the such.
Mcary
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The D600 may push current D300s users to move to full frame rather then holding out for a replacement to the D300s but sorry can't see a lot of D3100, D3200, D5100 or D5200 users moving to full frame.
I'd say the major shift from APS-C to Full frame may occur when a FF body is released at a price point of $999.00.
TXForester
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Yes, but it is still up to us to speak with our wallets if film is to live on.
Most of the people who buy these don't know what sensor size even means.
FrankS
Registered User
Yes but the marketing brainwash is so strong, they will believe that they need FF.
Mcary
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Sid836
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Not really! Almost everybody knows the technical jargon of the DSLRs and if not, they learn it on the way. The main problem is many buy a very expensive gadget and spend it in taking below average photos.
I know people that have very expensive DSLRs, they use it rarely, most of the time have it stored and clean the hell out of it, and most of their photos are test ones trying to get every single speckle of dust out of the sensor.
I know people that have a quite old DSLR (Canon D30, 3.1 mpx) that work miracles with it.
I also know many other people (like me) that had enough with all that digital thing and have started looking for slower paces that offer enough time to thing and behave like a human rather than a machine.
I believe that the film camera becomes an extension of man, while the digital camera is the exact opposite as you mostly click and the camera takes over the rest of it.
Film is not so expensive. TMax 400 for example costs almost the same amount of the good old triX back in the 90s.
Film and digital are different means for expressing the same result but with a completely different nature. I like digital, but right now I have burned enough the retina of my eye looking at the screen and seek for the comfort of a high contrast B&W printed on hard paper.
I know people that have very expensive DSLRs, they use it rarely, most of the time have it stored and clean the hell out of it, and most of their photos are test ones trying to get every single speckle of dust out of the sensor.
I know people that have a quite old DSLR (Canon D30, 3.1 mpx) that work miracles with it.
I also know many other people (like me) that had enough with all that digital thing and have started looking for slower paces that offer enough time to thing and behave like a human rather than a machine.
I believe that the film camera becomes an extension of man, while the digital camera is the exact opposite as you mostly click and the camera takes over the rest of it.
Film is not so expensive. TMax 400 for example costs almost the same amount of the good old triX back in the 90s.
Film and digital are different means for expressing the same result but with a completely different nature. I like digital, but right now I have burned enough the retina of my eye looking at the screen and seek for the comfort of a high contrast B&W printed on hard paper.
I work in a very large corporate environment that I feel represents the mainstream very well. Nobody here knows about sensor size. They are still stuck on megapixels and HD video. They simply know a DSLR will give them better IQ than a P&S. Remember, we are talking of the family and baby shooters, not people into photography as an art form.
Without these people, the camera industry would be a shell of what it is now. I don't understand why it is a problem either. There's a problem with people having fun and documenting their famillies? Seems elitist.
fstops
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People don't wake and say to themselves, "today I'm going out to take some below average photos..."
People take photos according to their abilities, and even the most casual user tries to take better photos... If taking above average photos was simply a matter of trying... well...
Sid836
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You are absolutely correct! But, if you buy a $2k DSLR you owe at least to yourself try a bit harder to justify the money spend. Trying always a bit more, always makes you better.
And remember, you cannot speak of photographic abilities, but of photographic skills. Abilities can not much to be changed/improved, but skills certainly can.
Sid836
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Think it like this. Somebody will go buy a FF DSLR because knows what a FF sensor is and why that FF DSLR is more expensive than others.
High megapixel counts and HD video is not on offer only by DSLRs, but also by compacts that many, not really high end ones, outperform some entry level DSLRs.
Family and baby shooters will go buy that entry level DSLR with the LCD that can dance all over the camera, but for sure they will not spend thousands to do it with FF camera.
Family and baby shooters tend to buy compacts. This is why compacts have higher sales than DSLRs. Not to mention that people turn to smaller and easier to carry solutions than to huge and bulky DSLRs and this is now depicted to the hundreds of new high performance compacts such as the Canon Powershot G15, the Nikon Coolpix p7700 and many more.
FrankS
Registered User
I think that the store sales staff will try to up-sell the more expensive gear, and inform potential buyers of the advantage of FF and how it will help unlock their Potential of artistic creativity.
Red Robin
It Is What It Is
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Roger, The shows are always a great place for the company s to do show&tell .Back in the day my father attended a chemical/paint show winning a wondrous looking contraption. It had a bellows looking thing and this beast produced B&W pictures in 60 seconds after wiping the print with a foul smelling chemical thing. He used this camera until he retired. For a eight year old it was really something . Just goes to show what a door prize can do. Have a great time, and you'll be getting paid too. Not bad not bad at all. however, sticking to the thread subject, In deed film is not dead. No more than any of the other forms of photography. For a price and some skill one can get a camera like Matthew Brady used. Somebody will still be producing film long after most of us are gone.
Trade Shows
Roger, The shows are always a great place for the company s to do show&tell .Back in the day my father attended a chemical/paint show winning a wondrous looking contraption. It had a bellows looking thing and this beast produced B&W pictures in 60 seconds after wiping the print with a foul smelling chemical thing. He used this camera until he retired. For a eight year old it was really something . Just goes to show what a door prize can do. Have a great time, and you'll be getting paid too. Not bad not bad at all. however, sticking to the thread subject, In deed film is not dead. No more than any of the other forms of photography. For a price and some skill one can get a camera like Matthew Brady used. Somebody will still be producing film long after most of us are gone.