Film P&S with multiple exposure?

[pvdhaar]

Does anyone know if such a thing even exists, a decent 35mm film P&S with in-register multiple exposure?

Sure, on the one hand, there's the Holga 135 or other toy cams, and on the other, there are the SLRs. I've used both, but am looking whether there's something in the middle: decent build and image quality but more pocketable than an SLR.

The attachments below show what I'm trying to achieve.. so it's not about shooting an entire roll of film twice with random overlays..

 

[btgc]

Numerous high-shelf compacts have this feature, including Rollei 90 AF and Pentax 928. This are AE-only cameras, though.

 

[thegman]

Does anyone know if such a thing even exists, a decent 35mm film P&S with in-register multiple exposure?

Sure, on the one hand, there's the Holga 135 or other toy cams, and on the other, there are the SLRs. I've used both, but am looking whether there's something in the middle: decent build and image quality but more pocketable than an SLR.

The attachments below show what I'm trying to achieve.. so it's not about shooting an entire roll of film twice with random overlays..

The Lomo LC-A+ is pretty badly built, but the image quality is better than what you may expect. Example shots taken with the LC-Wide too are sharper than I ever would have expected. But I understand if you're not up for one of those.

You could check out the 35mm folding cameras, I've only ever used 120 folding cameras, but often with those, the film wind on and shutter cocking is uncoupled, so you can do multiple exposures easy enough (accidentally too).

 

[pvdhaar]

Numerous high-shelf compacts have this feature, including Rollei 90 AF and Pentax 928. This are AE-only cameras, though.

AE and AF are definite plusses.. allows me to focus on composition. Besides, exposure lattitude of film is good enough for 2-4x multiples.

The Lomo LC-A+ is pretty badly built, but the image quality is better than what you may expect. Example shots taken with the LC-Wide too are sharper than I ever would have expected. But I understand if you're not up for one of those.

You could check out the 35mm folding cameras, I've only ever used 120 folding cameras, but often with those, the film wind on and shutter cocking is uncoupled, so you can do multiple exposures easy enough (accidentally too).

If only the LC-A wasn't so expensive..

Any other options perhaps?

 

[thegman]

AE and AF are definite plusses.. allows me to focus on composition. Besides, exposure lattitude of film is good enough for 2-4x multiples.


If only the LC-A wasn't so expensive..

Any other options perhaps?

LC-A is not too bad on the used market, silly money new though for what it is. If I shot more 35mm film, I think I'd consider an LC-Wide, not many small cameras with such a wide and apparently pretty decent lens.

 

[j j]

Ricoh 500ME (the ME is for multiple exposure). Very cheap and has a decent lens. A mini-rangefinder rather than a true P&S but if multiple exposures is your main concern it may fit your uses.

 

[oftheherd]

It requires some practice, but have you considered the old technique of tensioning the film with the rewind knob (not too tight so it doesn't pull), then pushing in the rewind button and cranking the film rewind/shutter cocking lever? I tried it a couple of times something over 35 years ago so I don't remember how well it went. But it was one of the things one used to read in the photo magazines from time to time.

Certainly cameras where the film transport and shutter cocking, as mentioned above will work easily. Welta Weltis come to mind, as well as a lot of other folders, from 35mm to 9x12.

 

[Greyscale]

Pentax 928 and Rollei Prego 90 would work, but are not really very pocketable. Canon Sure Shot Tele is another option, but also quite large. If you want pocketability, I would suggest doing as oftheherd suggests, using a compact AF with manual film advance, like the Pentax PC35AF.

 

[Greyscale]

I checked through some of my compacts, my most compact and pocketable camera with AF, auto wind, and multiple exposure is the Pentax IQZoom(Espio) 735. It has a very good lens as well, like most of the Pentax compacts.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/greyscale3/sets/72157633307405958/

 

[pvdhaar]

Thanks for all the suggestions! Guess I'll have to be on the lookout for a Pentax IQzoom 735 then..

 

[David Hughes]

Hi,

And I thought I was the only one to like the Pentax ESPIO 928, although I like the 928M and the 115M too, but the big old one is king.

Regards, David

 

[wblynch]

The Olympus XA series can do this. As OfTheHerd mentioned above, you tension the rewind knob and hold it firm, then press the rewind release button and turn the advance wheel to reset the shutter.

The XA-1 is a fixed focus camera so it would be the most point-and-shoot. The XA-2 is an easy to use zone focus camera that makes great pictures. You can get XA-2's for about $20 US.

XA-3 is the same as the XA-2 with DX film speed sensors.

Very compact cameras.

 

[alienmeatsack]

What I do with the cameras I have that don't have the ability to -not- advance before the next shutter firing is to just mark the first frame before I close up, then when I've shot the roll, I reload it and line it back up with that same first frame and reshoot.

I've also semi-successfully used the rewind/tension/film advance method. But this only works on some cameras... and I've had it move the film by one-two sprockets more then I've had it work correctly.

FWIW, the original LC-A was mentioned above and I just want to note that it does not have the MX mode, you have to use the rewind/tension/film advance method or mark and reload your roll to do MX on it.

I've found that some 'automatic' loading P&S's will work nicely with a rerun of the same roll but you have to make sure you mark your film before closing the back to put the leader back in the exact same spot and that doesn't always guarantee it will line up. I've used this technique with one of my Leica Mini Zoom cameras and it did work. The shots I took ended up less then great however as I shot on a bright day and ended up without enough dark spots in the shots to make it effective. But the technique worked.

 

[wblynch]

And of course you can always overlay two scans in Photoshop to make a "double exposure"...

 

[nosmok]

The much reviled Konica Aiborg (the ugliest camera ever made) can do up to 6 exposures per frame. They tend to be cheap because of the styling, but a manual is essential to access all the oddball modes it has.

--nosmok

 

[hamish_gill]

ricoh ff7 and ff9 have 'ME' modes ... can be had for next to nothing and aren't half bad!

 

[petronius]

The Konica Z-Up 80 RC is another compact with multi exposure.

 

[hamish_gill]

The Konica Z-Up 80 RC is another compact with multi exposure.

I recognise that article 😉

 

[dogbunny]

Hexar AF can, though I always think of it as more than just a P&S. Here is an example.