jbharrill1
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First off let me say I have a feeling this has been asked here a few times judging by how many times I saw it asked on other forums when I googled it, but I could find no definitive answer. I used the search feature with no luck so here we are.
I'm using an epson v600 and wanting to keep the rebate/black border around the edges of my 35mm scans. I asked one person via direct message on instagram and he says that he makes prints that have the rebate and then scans those. That's obviously the best way but I don't always have access to an enlarger/darkroom except maybe once or twice a month, and a lot of the images I'm scanning I really would rather not print just to scan them later. That's a lot of paper.
The other options I've found are filing down the film holder, using lomo's digitiliza mask, or buying some AN glass and sandwiching the negs between the glass? (I'm still a little confused on how that last method works) I've heard the digitiliza mask does not work with the epson v600. I feel like my best option is to buy a new 35mm film holder for the epson and file the edges down because I want the option of getting a borderless scan or a bordered so it makes sense to have two. BUT won't epson's software still cut out the black border? Whenever I load the negatives in the holder I always see a little bit of rebate on the top and bottom of the neg but when scanned it's gone. I'm assuming the software just crops where it starts to see that the frame is going all black therefore indicating the edge of the frame. So even if i have a few extra millimeters would the software not do the exact same thing, making it borderless again?
Any help is greatly appreciated, well I guess any help besides "just add it in post."
That is one option that is definitely not an option.
Thanks guys!
I'm using an epson v600 and wanting to keep the rebate/black border around the edges of my 35mm scans. I asked one person via direct message on instagram and he says that he makes prints that have the rebate and then scans those. That's obviously the best way but I don't always have access to an enlarger/darkroom except maybe once or twice a month, and a lot of the images I'm scanning I really would rather not print just to scan them later. That's a lot of paper.
The other options I've found are filing down the film holder, using lomo's digitiliza mask, or buying some AN glass and sandwiching the negs between the glass? (I'm still a little confused on how that last method works) I've heard the digitiliza mask does not work with the epson v600. I feel like my best option is to buy a new 35mm film holder for the epson and file the edges down because I want the option of getting a borderless scan or a bordered so it makes sense to have two. BUT won't epson's software still cut out the black border? Whenever I load the negatives in the holder I always see a little bit of rebate on the top and bottom of the neg but when scanned it's gone. I'm assuming the software just crops where it starts to see that the frame is going all black therefore indicating the edge of the frame. So even if i have a few extra millimeters would the software not do the exact same thing, making it borderless again?
Any help is greatly appreciated, well I guess any help besides "just add it in post."
That is one option that is definitely not an option.Thanks guys!
Swift1
Veteran
If you uncheck Thumbnail, Epson Scan will allow you to manually set the scan area.
jbharrill1
Established
Holy ****...I knew it would be something crazy easy like that. Thank you very much!
Huss
Veteran
Can you show an example of one that you did? I ask because back in the day when I had my stuff scanned by the lab, I got light leaks through the sprocket holes on images that were scanned w/ the rebate included.
A bummer as it looked so cool.
brbo
Well-known
Huss, he is talking about a little border (a millimeter), not the whole rebate with sprocket holes. Scanning with sprocket holes is a bit tricky on ccd scanners because of flare and actually easier on reversal film than on negatives.
A few examples from Epson V4990 (with custom "holder" (two sheets of glass and a light blocking mask around the film strip)):
A few examples from Epson V4990 (with custom "holder" (two sheets of glass and a light blocking mask around the film strip)):
Huss
Veteran
Ahh, gotcha. I thought he meant including the sprocket holes. What you did made yours look great. Mine (all were with colour film) had a yellow fogging around the sprocket holes. Most people didn't notice it, but once I saw it, that's all I noticed!
valdas
Veteran
Those examples look great. How does your "light blocking mask" looks like and where exactly do you put it?
Huss, he is talking about a little border (a millimeter), not the whole rebate with sprocket holes. Scanning with sprocket holes is a bit tricky on ccd scanners because of flare and actually easier on reversal film than on negatives.
A few examples from Epson V4990 (with custom "holder" (two sheets of glass and a light blocking mask around the film strip)):
brbo
Well-known
Nothing special, really. Any opaque material around the film will do. And this is just to prevent the flare from the the rest of the scanning bed to influence the scan, the light coming through sprocket holes will still flare, that can't be helped.
The real "secret" is in proper exposure and development of the film and scanning exposure. With negative film you will have a very noticeable light bleeding from sprocket holes into (too) dense surrounding areas. When you have a very dense portion of a negative, the scanner (the scanning software at auto settings) will increase the exposure and the flare will also get stronger. I find that not too dense negatives and holding back the scanner exposure makes scanning film with sprocket holes possible even on flatbeds. Especially if you don't mind a little PS when the flare is just too much...
It's still nowhere near what even a low-end drum scanner can do, of course:
valdas
Veteran
Thanks, I will need to try.
xvvvz
Established
You can modify your OEM Epson holder by widening the film channel just enough so that you will have your film suspended off the glass to avoid Newton Rings and get better focus. I have customers modify my holder+ANR Insert like shown by the red lines below.
Doug
Doug
Swift1
Veteran
Depending on the actual size of your camera's film gate and the image alignment on the film, if you load the stock holder just right it will work without modification.
This was scanned using the stock holder on my Epson V750.
Untitled by Colton Allen, on Flickr
This was scanned using the stock holder on my Epson V750.
Untitled by Colton Allen, on Flickr
jbharrill1
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Here is a trial scan I just did really quick using the method that swift1 posted. Obviously not perfect but def a step in the right direction. Thanks so much guys!!