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Found some old negatives that are 2and 3/4" wide x1and 3/4" high.anybody know what size negatives these are? would like to describe the size to get them printed. thanks
 
Hmmm... Nothing to match in my 1927 Kodak catalogue - so perhaps a later format, or one that had expired by then? If it was 2 1/4" instead of 2 3/4" I'd say "half frame" 120 (6x4.5), but as t is I can't help much. Sorry!

Adrian
 
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Found some old negatives that are 2and 3/4" wide x1and 3/4" high.anybody know what size negatives these are? would like to describe the size to get them printed. thanks
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You may has a bit of trouble finding a lab that will print them. They sound like they are the 8 shot per roll 127 format. The format was close to the size of the 16 shot per roll 120 format which is slightly smaller than the modern 15 shot per roll 120 format known commonly as 6x4.5. The format has been rarely used for the last half century. If they are 127, the film will be 45mm wide and the images will be 40-41mm wide and, for the 8 shot format, around 68-70mm long.

127 was a popular format from its inception just prior to WWI until the early 1960s. Prior to WWII, the most common format was the 8 shot per roll format and the 12 shot per roll square format with less frequently used. I have my grandfather's Kodak Vest Pocket Autographic that he used during WWI that shoot the 8 shot per roll format, when using non-autographic film. The autographic, size A127 as opposed to 127, film was only 6 shots per roll to allow the extra space between the images for the handwritten note that you could add by writing on the back of the film with a stylus via a small access panel. I also have one of the original Exakta SLRs, which is also a 127 camera that shoots the 8 shot per roll format.

After WWII, the 12 shot per roll format (aka 4x4cm, 45mm wide film and 41x41mm images) quickly became dominant. Kodak never officially "blessed" a 16 shot per roll format on 127, like they did on 120 and 620. There were a few cameras, though, that did use it. I have a Foth Dery that is one of those few.
 
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Hmmm, 2¾" wide is about 70mm and Kodak made a 70mm roll film. Called 114 or 116 from memory. Sorry I can't say more; I'm trying to recall a sticker in an old folding Kodak...

There shouldn't be problems getting prints or enlargements. Try the local camera club, where someone may volunteer.

Regards, David
 
2-3/4 inches or 70mm is the original Kodak width (which was slit to make 1-3/8 inch or 35mm) and I'm pretty sure 116/616 was this width too. The other dimension is however puzzling.

Are they individual negs or roll film? Because there were some tiny plate/cut film sizes too. And as Dwig says, 8-on-127 is another possibility, in which case one could argue that the actual images are about 40mm high and 60mm wide, but 60mm isn't 2-3/4 inches.

Can you give mm measurements?

Cheers,

R.
 
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Sheet or roll? There were a few cameras for 4x6.5cm on plates or 127 film (e.g. Parvola, VP Exakta), and nominal 6x4.5cm on sheet (like on the Ermanox or Baby Makina) often effectively was 4.5x6.5cm (6.5 by 9 plates cut in half).
 
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