kevin m
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/16/france-art-life-models-protest
To our Paris RFF members, where the heck were you?!

To our Paris RFF members, where the heck were you?!
In front of the tastefully decorated Christmas trees outside Paris city hall's culture department, the naked and goose-pimpled models demanded a pay increase...
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Pablito
coco frío
Good for them! In art school we had an amazing nude model, "Eddie" who was about 75 yrs old and very fit. He took great pride in his body and he could hold a pose for an hour without moving the slightest bit. He had studied Greek and Roman art and knew all the poses of the famous statues. Of course I would rather have been drawing younger specimens, and of the other gender, but Eddie was something else. He's the only one whose name I remember 30 years later...
blw
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Well let's hope they're still developing their film!
kevin m
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Well let's hope they're still developing their film!
Good point! Live models would seem to require B&W film.
blw
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Yeah, yanidel hasn't been around yet. Maybe he's still in the darkroom?
fingers crossed....
The picture that went with the article was pretty nice though at least.
fingers crossed....
The picture that went with the article was pretty nice though at least.
John Lawrence
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Let's hope they were all huddled round a burning brassiere to keep themselves warm! 
blw
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Just a few minutes after that last post I see yanidel is online and that he has RD-1 and M8...so we shouldn't have to wait on no stinkin film!
Gumby
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He's the only one whose name I remember 30 years later...
It sounds to me like Eddie was as much a teacher as he was a model. The young girls with pert nips might be more to fantasize about and drool over, but you seem to have received a much better experience... an education.
Tuolumne
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What? Not a single interesting photo of the protest!
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FallisPhoto
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10 euros an hour is all they get over there? They damned well should protest!
sirius
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God bless the French!
kuzano
Veteran
I was there.....
I was there.....
But I found the view restrictive through my viewfinder, so unfortunately, I did not get a snap off! Sometimes the view is just too overwhelming to remember the camera.
I was there.....
But I found the view restrictive through my viewfinder, so unfortunately, I did not get a snap off! Sometimes the view is just too overwhelming to remember the camera.
amateriat
We're all light!
Where, indeed...perhaps, in a few cases, kicking themselves, very, very hard, after reading this?http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/16/france-art-life-models-protest
To our Paris RFF members, where the heck were you?!![]()
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eli griggs
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Good figure study models are hard to find, 20 Euros an hour would be closer to the mark, IMO.
If you've never taken 3 plus hour classes with good models, you probably have no idea how much work it can be or how valuable a good model, old, young, tight body or obese, regardless of gender, is. Often times, serious artists will take turns modeling among themselves because they can't find or afford a decent salary for a 'pro'.
One thing is for sure though, bad ones don't last long among non-photographers, no mater how 'pert' they might be.
Eli
If you've never taken 3 plus hour classes with good models, you probably have no idea how much work it can be or how valuable a good model, old, young, tight body or obese, regardless of gender, is. Often times, serious artists will take turns modeling among themselves because they can't find or afford a decent salary for a 'pro'.
One thing is for sure though, bad ones don't last long among non-photographers, no mater how 'pert' they might be.
Eli
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
10 euros an hour is all they get over there? They damned well should protest!
That's twice what they get here. Indiana University at Fort Wayne only pays $10 an hour (5 Euros if I remember the exchange rate correctly!) for nude models for their art school classes.
FallisPhoto
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That's twice what they get here. Indiana University at Fort Wayne only pays $10 an hour (5 Euros if I remember the exchange rate correctly!) for nude models for their art school classes.
I pay $50 an hour for my models, with a four-hour minimum. Cheapest I've ever gone was $20 an hour, nearly forced on a girl who didn't want to be paid. I had to explain why payment is one of the essential elements of a contract, that Virginia requires a minimum payment before the contract is legally enforcable, and that I couldn't use her photos if she didn't take the money.
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FallisPhoto
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Good figure study models are hard to find, 20 Euros an hour would be closer to the mark, IMO.
Good! Considering the exchange rate, that is more in line with what I've been paying.
Spider67
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And here it is:
http://www.stern.de/bdt/:Bilder-Tages-Bilder-Tages/614399.html?cp=20
Best regards
Des
http://www.stern.de/bdt/:Bilder-Tages-Bilder-Tages/614399.html?cp=20
Best regards
Des
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
I pay $50 an hour for my models, with a four-hour minimum. Cheapest I've ever gone was $20 an hour, nearly forced on a girl who didn't want to be paid. I had to explain why payment is one of the essential elements of a contract, that Virginia requires a minimum payment before the contract is legally enforcable, and that I couldn't use her photos if she didn't take the money.
That's a fair price. I've never hired a model, don't need them for the type of work I do, but when I was an art student, I was told what the school paid and I couldn't believe it was so little. Those European models protested about getting 4 times that, but here people just let themselves be enslaved.
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