Finally - Real News About Rodinal: Saved!

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You've probably read more than you care to about Rodinal, including my getting a bit irritated by those who have been absolutely freaking out over the loss of Rodinal, since in my opinion, there are plenty of acceptable Rodinal clones out there.

You've also probably read my take on the "Rumour Control" that keeps repeating the badly-worded (or translated) news story from last year that stated that a&o (a German company) had taken over Agfa Photo's chemical processing plant and planned to continue making the chemicals necessary for their minilab support business. I felt strongly that there was no evidence in that news story to suggest that a&o was going to produce Rodinal. I suggested that the best way to get to the bottom of this mystery was for someone in Germany to simply call a&o and ask them what they planned to do with regard to Rodinal.

I myself had sent numerous emails to a&o and Agfa Photo, with no response at all, which to me suggested the worst.

However, I must be fair, even if it makes me look like an idiot. I got this email today:

From : Ingolf Marzenski
To : Bill Mattocks
Sent : Jan 05 '06 10:31
Subject : WG: Agfa Rodinal!

Dear Mr. Mattock,

A&O Group will continue with the production of the AGFAPhoto chemistry. We
will also continue with the manufacturing of Rodinal!
There will be soon a
distributor available in USA. If you need more information just contact us.

Ingolf Marzenski
a&o imaging solutions GmbH
Blindeisenweg 31
41468 Neuss

Telefon: +49 151 1143 8823
Fax: +49 151 13 1143 8823
ingolf.marzenski@ao-imaging-services.com

Now, frankly, I stand by what I said - there are alternatives (clone) for Rodinal, and there was no need to panic (or stockpile Rodinal, unless the clones were also unavailable).

I also still feel that there was no evidence in the public domain that Rodinal production would be continued by a&o - they are, after all, a sector services company - they service photolab equipment and sell spare parts! I saw no evidence at all that they had said they would continue to make Rodinal.

However, I believe that this email clears the matter up nicely. According to a&o, there will be new Rodinal produced, and they will be selling it. I was wrong, but I stand by my deductive logic and conclusion. I'm glad that Rodinal will continue to be produced.

Feel free to spread the word about this - point to this email as the closest thing we have to proof that there will be continued Rodinal production.

As far as I know, this is the first public statement from a&o with regard to Rodinal, so somewhat 'breaking news'.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
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Looks like my options on Rodinal futures are now worthless. :>) Good thing I didn't go crazy on that auction site.

I might as well ask. What is the difference between Rodinal vs HC110 (my normal soup). I shoot mostly HP5+.

Eric
 
Rodinal and HC-110 use very different developing agents. They both come in syrup form, but other than that, they are quite different in how they work and the results they produce.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Excellent! Thanks for this post, Bill, I had gathered from previous threads that you were growing tired of speculation, so I'm going to take this as a real signal to go ahead and return to Rodinal as my primary film developer.

Regarding the above question about rodinal vs. hc-110, to me it seems to be a question of solvency. HC-110 is solvent, it tends to mask grain by melting it. Rodinal is hardly solvent at all, it seems to sharpen the silver grains and clump them together. Also, rodinal has a more pronounced edge-effect then HC-110 if you wait a long time between agitation cycles (2 minutes or more, for me).

Ever tried pushing Tri-X to 1600 with Rodinal? I suggest this: shoot tri-x between 1000 and 1600 and develop in Rodinal 1:50 for 20 minutes @ 20c, give it a 5 second initial agitation then 5 secs per 5 minutes thereafter, being as vibration free as possible between agitations. Killer, man-eating shadows and the grain looks beautiful when enlarged.
 
Andy K said:
I never saw any reason to panic, there are alternatives such as Calbe RO9. The Rodinal formula is fairly easy to make too.

I agree with you, but there was some minor panic - people reporting sales on eBoy of highway-robbery-priced jugs of Rodinal, etc. I guess this will make everyone happy who did not have any Rodinal socked away and who don't think that the clones are really clones.

Now - the question is - how long will it take for the new stuff to get into the pipeline and have someone pronounce that it has *changed* somehow and it is not the *real* Rodinal any more? You know it will happen, even if a molecule-by-molecule assay shows it to be the same stuff, made with the same chemicals on the same production line, by the same employees and even stirred with the same wooden stick. Someone will decide it is 'different' and to be avoided.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
It's not a developer, it's an investment...

It's not a developer, it's an investment...

So how much is this bottle of Rodinal I paid $100 for worth now? 😉

"Excelsior, you fathead!"
-Chris-
 
And I thought Calbe RO9 was going to be a common name............

Anyway, I'm glad hear that someone was able to buy this end of Agfa photo.
 
tetrisattack said:
Excellent! Thanks for this post, Bill, I had gathered from previous threads that you were growing tired of speculation, so I'm going to take this as a real signal to go ahead and return to Rodinal as my primary film developer.

It wasn't the speculation so much - it was the firm pronouncements that Rodinal was going to be produced by a&o - based on other posts on other groups, who in turn quoted other posts on other websites, and finally all coming to rest on one really badly-worded press release from a&o in which they didn't come right out and say that, just kinda waffled around it. Same on the Agfa Photo website - they nowhere said anything specific about Rodinal - but people wanted to believe, I guess.

Well, their best wishes were realized today, and I'm really happy about it, believe me. I was getting cranky not because of speculation, but because of firm pronouncements based on nothing but rumor. Now we have some facts.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Bill - thank you for following this up. You mentioned Mattock Photography as a new venture. Perhaps USA Rodinal distributor...............
 
I wonder if they might be persuaded to make the Scala chemicals? The UK lab expected to be out in Dec or Jan. Nahhh... mmm ... nah.
 
Solinar said:
And I thought Calbe RO9 was going to be a common name............

Anyway, I'm glad hear that someone was able to buy this end of Agfa photo.

I'm just glad to hear that a&o have bothered to let the world know what they were planning to do with Rodinal.

Some companies do too much publicity - say things that will never happen. Others, you can't get them to tell anyone what they make - like they don't *want* you go buy their products.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
pedro.m.reis said:
Any real news about the Agfa APX future?

I'm afraid that's a different story. To the best of my knowledge, not even Rumour Control has produced any information (or even any rumours) about any company buying the Agfa Photo film manufacturing plants. So that would mean APX is dead and gone - for now.

The court-appointed liquidator in Germany could still find a buyer for the factories - and perhaps the rights to the film names, etc. Or, they might not.

However, the workers have been idled now since the beginning of the year. One would suspect that many of them will move on to other jobs or retire. Over time, it will become more difficult to nearly impossible to restart the manufacturing plants.

Not to say it could not happen - but it hasn't happened yet, that anyone is aware of.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
bmattock said:
Now - the question is - how long will it take for the new stuff to get into the pipeline and have someone pronounce that it has *changed* somehow and it is not the *real* Rodinal any more?

You probably already know this but Agfa Rodinal is not the original formula anyway, RO9 is much closer to the original.
 
re: Rodinal vs Hc-110

re: Rodinal vs Hc-110

HC-110 is a very active developer. 1:25 or 1:50 will often give 5 min or shorter development times. Rodinal isn't, and has a rep of being "grain enhancing". Both last nearly forever.

To tell you the truth... I often cannot tell the difference btwn HC-110 & Rodinal when looking at the negs.

ps. Rodinal & HP5+ is not one of the recommended combinations... I usually use HC-110 with ISO400 films & Rodinal with slow films.
 
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