Finally! This is what we needed: Leica Video!
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EdwardKaraa
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I have no interest in video, but as mentioned above, this means it has live view, and sufficient processing power for video, which makes it even faster for stills. This also means it must have a good LCD, and perhaps an accessory EVF. All this is good news. The M10 will most probably be my first digital Leica.
klapka
Established
It will be 36 for sure.
shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
Going by this logic will leads to M11 which has... Auto Focus!
Y'know, you don't *have* to use it. 😛
ramosa
B&W
EdwardKaraa said:
Great post +++
jarski
Veteran
not just scale focusing anymore with non-RF lenses, nice. but this (live view) kind of makes rangefinder redundant a little, not nice.
zwarte_kat
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Nope
Nope
It won't, and we won't.
Video isn't easy to implement well, and has no real use to Leica anyway considering their target market. My guess is that they will include it, because their manufacturers can include it. It won't be a serious video tool, just your occasional (very shaky) family flick.
Think Fuji X100/Xpro style implementation.
Nope
It won't, and we won't.
Video isn't easy to implement well, and has no real use to Leica anyway considering their target market. My guess is that they will include it, because their manufacturers can include it. It won't be a serious video tool, just your occasional (very shaky) family flick.
Think Fuji X100/Xpro style implementation.
swoop
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I have no want for video. But a faster buffer is a must. I just really hope this thing doesn't cost $8k. I miss when the M8 was $5300.
FrozenInTime
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I think it will be really a stretch for them to do it well.
As well as stills with my M9, I took a short video yesterday with the E-M5 or the Tour of California Race.
Even Olympus with one of the fastest responding compact cameras out there struggles with 30fps action.http://vimeo.com/42101905
I also can't see them fitting microphones to a M11 - the video would be a lot less with out the sound of the cow bells.
As well as stills with my M9, I took a short video yesterday with the E-M5 or the Tour of California Race.
Even Olympus with one of the fastest responding compact cameras out there struggles with 30fps action.http://vimeo.com/42101905
I also can't see them fitting microphones to a M11 - the video would be a lot less with out the sound of the cow bells.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Lax Jought
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I agree with a couple of the comments above, if the M10 had decent video at 24fps, decent codec, minimal aliasing/moire, this would be it for me. I'd sell my Canon.
We, nah, maybe you... 😉
Lax Jought
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All the nay-sayers when I asked for this camera previously..... 😎
eleskin
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I miss the M8 when it was $4,700!!!
I miss the M8 when it was $4,700!!!
I miss the 07 M8 price of $4,700 USD! When you look at the Nikon D800 E for 3k you begin to ask if $4,700 was too much. Now I do not regret my M8 purchase, nor to I regret buying used Leica M lenses (I bought a Noctilux in O9 for $4k on EBay, a great buy then, but not now). What gets me is I love my lenses and feel Leica is squeezing us users (I have 80000 exposures on my M8 I shoot like crazy and I do so professionally) that faithfully bought into the M system years ago. Honestly, at $7k the M9 is the absolute limit most of us can spend, any more and many of us will say the he'll with it and sell off all of our stuff for the D800 and nice Zeiss glass. The new Summicron price is ridiculous to say the least! Any M 10 must be the same as the M9 and any M9 should have a significant price drop due to it's older technology. If they charge 10k for an M 10 (sounds catchy eh, but really dumb business wise) and do not lower the M9 price they will loose me and many others. I love the rangefinder experience mire than DSLR by far, but economics plays big for us mere mortals that are not the 1 percent. Is there some snobbery in the Leica world? Unfortunately there is, I hate to say. This attitude that the price is what it is and if you cannot afford it use a DSLR really irritates me. I fell in love with rangefinders, not Leica per say (I also own a Fuji GSW 690, Mamiya press) because of the rangefinder way of photography. The ability to see the subject directly without a screen in the way and great focus accuracy in low light as well as quiet operation and small size. Thank God Fuji gets it to some degree. I feel build wise, you do not need anything better made than the Xpro-1 because in a few years, technology changes too much. The digital M, although beautifully made, is overkill and does not make economic sense. Better made lenses make more sense because they are a long term investment, not the camera. This Is why what Fuji has done is exciting. Now if only Zeiss or Voigtlander would get off their butt and build us a full frame camera with great ISO for $3k! By the way, the more I. Read about Zeiss M mount lenses, the less interested I am in any Leica lens. Leica is loosing me along with many others that are not the 1 percent $$$$$$!!!!
I miss the M8 when it was $4,700!!!
I miss the 07 M8 price of $4,700 USD! When you look at the Nikon D800 E for 3k you begin to ask if $4,700 was too much. Now I do not regret my M8 purchase, nor to I regret buying used Leica M lenses (I bought a Noctilux in O9 for $4k on EBay, a great buy then, but not now). What gets me is I love my lenses and feel Leica is squeezing us users (I have 80000 exposures on my M8 I shoot like crazy and I do so professionally) that faithfully bought into the M system years ago. Honestly, at $7k the M9 is the absolute limit most of us can spend, any more and many of us will say the he'll with it and sell off all of our stuff for the D800 and nice Zeiss glass. The new Summicron price is ridiculous to say the least! Any M 10 must be the same as the M9 and any M9 should have a significant price drop due to it's older technology. If they charge 10k for an M 10 (sounds catchy eh, but really dumb business wise) and do not lower the M9 price they will loose me and many others. I love the rangefinder experience mire than DSLR by far, but economics plays big for us mere mortals that are not the 1 percent. Is there some snobbery in the Leica world? Unfortunately there is, I hate to say. This attitude that the price is what it is and if you cannot afford it use a DSLR really irritates me. I fell in love with rangefinders, not Leica per say (I also own a Fuji GSW 690, Mamiya press) because of the rangefinder way of photography. The ability to see the subject directly without a screen in the way and great focus accuracy in low light as well as quiet operation and small size. Thank God Fuji gets it to some degree. I feel build wise, you do not need anything better made than the Xpro-1 because in a few years, technology changes too much. The digital M, although beautifully made, is overkill and does not make economic sense. Better made lenses make more sense because they are a long term investment, not the camera. This Is why what Fuji has done is exciting. Now if only Zeiss or Voigtlander would get off their butt and build us a full frame camera with great ISO for $3k! By the way, the more I. Read about Zeiss M mount lenses, the less interested I am in any Leica lens. Leica is loosing me along with many others that are not the 1 percent $$$$$$!!!!
Archiver
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That may depend on just how good this video mode is. If it's full fledged 1080p with user selectable framerates, using a decent codec like AVCHD or even 5D Mark II style avi, then you would have workable output for a client. But if it's some halfa$$ed implementation, or the quality of the output isn't good, then you'd have a M10 and still need the 5D.
The 5D Mark II produces video that is good enough for broadcast TV, indie films and even parts of The Avengers (Avengers Assemble for the British here). It's a reasonably affordable way to get a well tested video solution that has a huge user support network. Any video in a future M is going to be like trying to catch fish with your hands in a stream in the middle of the night. Well, okay, not that bad, but you get what I mean. I wouldn't give up the Canon, as tempting as the M video solution might seem.
BobYIL
Well-known
Oh my! I have posted "This is what WE needed!" and I see nobody is interested in the video portion at the first rate 😀 . Actually I wanted to see what would the reaction be for the video..
Video or not, one thing is for sure: It's better to have a most recent CMOS sensor and Liveview too. Video is not that important for the majority however some features like hi-ISO, usability of almost any lenses are..
Video or not, one thing is for sure: It's better to have a most recent CMOS sensor and Liveview too. Video is not that important for the majority however some features like hi-ISO, usability of almost any lenses are..
Lax Jought
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I was very very interested in the X-Pro1 and its video function but the aliaising/moire and no shutter control was a real turn off. It was so close, so close.
I'll be keeping an eye out for the M10 and its video function. If it has unuseable video, I'd be happy to upgrade to an M9 from my M8.2.