CharlesDAMorgan
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We have our answer. Back to the merits of this film, which is agreeably punchy and rather fun, if slower than a hearse on an hourly hire rate.
Huss
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Just checked my order, I paid $7.12 for the film as it was an early bird special.
Also ordered the Babylon ISO 13 film for the same price. Delivery in August. Interesting to see how that plays out.
No matter who makes it, I think it is fantastic that we are given these options easily available.
Huss
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It is slow, but very easy to use in daylight with Sunny F16.
In bright light that would be 1/500 sec @ F2.
In low light levels bring a tripod! All about using the right tool for what you want to achieve.
Huss
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Breaking news! A gentleman on photrio suggested it could be Kodak reproducing film 5234.
It is ISO 6, vs 8 of the Lomo.. It could well be... So I ordered a batch from here (in the US!!) and it is much cheaper than from Lomo. $5/roll if you get 5 at a time. But they stick you with $10 shipping..
https://www.ultrafineonline.com/ko52blwhfi352.html
Anyway, I will test it and report back.
It is ISO 6, vs 8 of the Lomo.. It could well be... So I ordered a batch from here (in the US!!) and it is much cheaper than from Lomo. $5/roll if you get 5 at a time. But they stick you with $10 shipping..
https://www.ultrafineonline.com/ko52blwhfi352.html
Anyway, I will test it and report back.
Mark C
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The Photo Warehouse film is listed as panchromatic. Is the Lomography film ortho? I really like the look of ortho for some things. I've still got a bit of some kind of Agfa Ortho from years ago, but I thought it was kind of slow at around EI 25-50 for continuous tone. Maybe I should go all bokey and try this stuff.
Huss
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It 'looks' ortho in my examples, but in the spec sheet it says pancro like the Eastman 5234.
Mark C
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Interesting. So "Ortho" in that reds come out as black in the print?
I've reshot a Walker Evans photo made near my home and am baffled by the image quality. I've got a similar camera and lens, but can't come close to the look. I am assuming some of that is ortho film, but have not been able to confirm that.
Anyway, it looks interesting, and you've at least inspired me to see how much of my old Agfa Ortho is usable.
Using a green filter darkens red... One way to get a slightly/somewhat ortho effect with panchro film?
Mark C
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That didn't really work well for me. I also experimented with some combo of green and ?, but that didn't really cut it either. I finally sprung for a minus red filter. Wratten 44 or 44A I believe. That works great, but you have to remember to turn off the red safelight while processing film
Back to the Lomography film, I just wanted to clarify if that was what Huss had meant. Guessing at the original colors, those shots looked to be picking up red.
Huss
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I described it as ortho like in the way it gives the deep blacks and bright whites. It also has a transparent film base.
But let me check on the reds - I'll go back to the scene of some of the pics and see where the reds are. In the shot of the girl mural with butterflies, I'm pretty sure some of them are red (which now look black). Also I'll check to see the colour of the top of the hydrant.
valdas
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At least judging from examples on Lomo website it looks to me as ortho - those almost black lips...
valdas
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By the way - if it appears to be TF12, you can get it in US easily:
http://www.orwona.com/orwo-tf12d-sound-recording-film-35mm-2050ft/
So, it's basically a bit more than 1$ per roll plus shipping.
Yes, it's huge quantity, but at least Filmotech in Germany sells left overs - from 30.5 to 267m. I have got an offer, that is 0,59€ per meter (0.86 included VAT and shipping), so about 1.3€ per roll including everything. I will buy and test it.
P.S. My alternative though is that because it is Fantome 8, it could be based on another orwo sound recording film - TF8. I have seen test images, and it looks very very similar. But I guess this one is out of production, it could be Lomo is using old stock. I understand TF12d has very high contrast and requires low contrast developer.
http://www.orwona.com/orwo-tf12d-sound-recording-film-35mm-2050ft/
So, it's basically a bit more than 1$ per roll plus shipping.
Yes, it's huge quantity, but at least Filmotech in Germany sells left overs - from 30.5 to 267m. I have got an offer, that is 0,59€ per meter (0.86 included VAT and shipping), so about 1.3€ per roll including everything. I will buy and test it.
P.S. My alternative though is that because it is Fantome 8, it could be based on another orwo sound recording film - TF8. I have seen test images, and it looks very very similar. But I guess this one is out of production, it could be Lomo is using old stock. I understand TF12d has very high contrast and requires low contrast developer.
Mark C
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Thanks. I assumed you meant that, but wanted to be sure. Reds in the real world are often not very pure, so it can be hard to really tell. The Altoids can for instance.
Nice film and the price seems realistic, though too much for this cheapskate. I think the speculation of what it is would be more useful if there was a lot more basis to it. Anyway, I always like hearing about new to me films
dourbalistar
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2,050 feet?!
In that case, I will eat my words from upthread, and say that Huss got a reasonable price on the Fantome 8 from Lomo. Mark C
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Except it looks like those are Wintergreen Altoids, so the tin is green, not red.
Oh. I don't really know anything about Altoids. Obviously
Some of the others do look like reduced red. If anybody is shooting a roll, maybe do a snap of a color chart just for fun.
Huss
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I've got nothing against that film but I would not know what to do/how to handle 2000ft of it!
The Lomo film does not have any edge markings etc, and curls. Others have said the Orwo has edge markings and dries flat, so it seems that it may not be the same thing.
The Kodak 5234 seems to be the match to the Lomo Fantome film. I ordered some and will compare once it arrives.
valdas
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2,050 feet?!
I bought a few ends, the shortest one was 100ft. It was 18€ plus VAT and shipping for this short end. Like I said - all cost included it’s around 1.3€ per roll of 36.
valdas
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I have just noticed on Lomography page description that Fantome 8 is panchromatic film indeed, so Kodak 5234 is a good guess! Orwo TF is ortho, so...
Huss
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If you can handle 2000ft of it, perhaps you can go into business and sell 36exp rolls of it @ $5-$6/roll!
I love ortho film. Ilford charges $12..
Anyway, once I get the 5234 I will compare to Fantome.