Food for thought? Maybe, possibly. BUT...

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I'm coming back to this thread near the end of the work day to catch up on the scandal. I see that Frank picked up on my firm grasp of the obvious ("No duh!").

Joe, I have had mixed reactions to Magus's posts (growing more mixed in recent weeks), but I think you did the right thing in trying to persuade him to reconsider leaving.

But, most of all, I'm sorry for your loss. My condolences...
 
Finder said:
I came in right at the end and saw something very important.

Joe, my condolences. It is always difficult to see our companions pass away. There is a pain in the emptiness they leave, which is tempered by the gratitude that they could share their life with you.


thanks finder, very well said.
she was a great dog.

joe
 
Bingley said:
I'm coming back to this thread near the end of the work day to catch up on the scandal. I see that Frank picked up on my firm grasp of the obvious ("No duh!").

Joe, I have had mixed reactions to Magus's posts (growing more mixed in recent weeks), but I think you did the right thing in trying to persuade him to reconsider leaving.

But, most of all, I'm sorry for your loss. My condolences...

thanks steve, i do miss her.

as for magus, what i liked was his passion.

i have offered the 24 hour cool down period to others before as i think we can sometimes become too close to the argument. i know i have had to cool down a few times myself.
joe
 
I suppose I'm sorry to see some of our diversity go as well. A little bit of rumpus can be fun, as long as it is all in fun- which I truly think with Magus it was. Perhaps some of us sometimes take things too seriously- I've been there, but it's just camera gear after all.

Goodnight all.
 
Well, that's an interesting development to wake up to, that Magus actually asked to be removed from RFF (and it supports my early suggestion that one shouldn't take sides until one knows the facts). Anyway, I'd like to add my voice to those who hope that once tempers have cooled a bit, Magus might change his mind and decide to rejoin us (but if he doesn't, then I offer him my thanks for his contributions to date and I wish him well).
 
One more comment:

Post #1 had two topics:

- Bertram3 asking for justice wrt Magus being banned
- Bertram3 attacking me in person, calling me a liar, among others.

You now know that Magus asked Joe to be removed from RFF.
You can also check with Joe that Magus leaving and my post
are not related.

Magus has been attacked much more severely in the past than
by what I wrote, with no consequences. Check the MF vs 35mm thread,
for instance.

There are at least a hand-full of people on RFF who have met me in person.
Another 20 at least have my full name, adress, phone nr., etc. There
are pictures of myself, my kids, my wife on the forum. If you
spend 5 minutes searching, you can find out many more details
about me, since I am published and have been cited many times
(not gear related).

On the other hand, you know nothing about Magus, except his
online personality.

Thanks to Marc and Laura for their support.

Best,

Roland.
 
I didn't think the comments about Roland were worthy of comment, as they are so obviously wrong. I didn't want to dignify them with a response; that is, as if not to feed a troll. But sensing above Roland's personal offence, understandably, I am going to clearly state my thoughts.

I have dealt with Roland in many ways: discussions on the technical aspects of lenses, camera bodies, about the aesthetics of images, and about regular life events. I have even made equipment deals with Roland. So from an online perspective, I know the guy about as well as one can. When I had a thief steal some lens caps from me, Roland actually sent me some for free; he is just plain "nice".

I have little doubt he'd be a steady guy in real life as well; in fact, at some point, I would like to meet Roland, as he seems to be a knowledgeable and upstanding guy.

My dealing with him has been without complaint; Roland is meticulous, careful, and an excellent communicator. I would have no hesistation in exchanging money, gear or anything with him; as, at bottom, he embodies what I will call "trustworthiness."

I think Roland's photography is varied, fascinating, sometimes thought-provoking, and, at times, sublime. I think he makes informative and interesting and even entertaining contributions to RFF.

For my part I am saddened that Roland would think these "Wolfgang/Magus" accusations need to be responded to. That said, without wanting to dignify those remarks by responding, I do think it is often necessary to expose the falsity of remarks if they offend against a good man's goodness and honour.

I think I have made my point in a respectful manner. Enough of this, back to the RFF galleries!

Good cheer,

Thomas
 
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Well, add me to one who just read this whole thread, even followed one of the url links. It was informative and to an extent, entertaining. But I still can't figure out why I did so. My personal take is that when a person leaves a forum, they usually lessen all of us, including themselves. But each person must do as their heart and mind tells them.

Joe, the one really important thing I got from this thread was your recent loss. I am really sorry. We had to put down our good family member (a dalmatian) a couple of years ago. It was a really sad day. The good thing is remembering all the good times she gave us. For me that lessens the sadness. Hope the same works for you.
 
In my previous incarnation as Bertram3, I had predicted that ‘most likely this post will also vanish, this poster will be banned, this poster’s IP address will be blocked’.

Unfortunately, I was right.

But this fact only serves to reinforce the impression that the RFF ‘administration’ seems to be afraid, or at least nervous of something. Otherwise why BAN, BLOCK?

Or not?

An enforced disappearance means what to you, RFF members? Does it relate to the owner of a site doing as he pleases, as FrankS claims, or is it rather reminiscent of Latin American Governments a few decades ago?

Anyway: this is not the main topic of this new post, which I shall simply upload and go away (let us see if you can resist the urge to not only ‘ban’ but also ‘block’, since ‘banning is actually enough and blocking reinforces the impression that you are insecure for some reason).

The fact that Magus opted out himself is not new. It was clearly stated in post number one:

‘Magus immediately posted Mr. Gandy’s private message on the thread and to it a reply to the effect that Magus isn’t going to be intimidated and wouldn’t stay on under the circumstances (personal insults intended to intimidate and posted to the private box).’

That is why the publicisation of Mr. Gandy’s private message was not tolerated by him, the ‘owner’. Because it exposed his awkward attempt at blackmail and insulting language. He called a member of RFF a ‘jerk’ (amazing for a super-merchant and owner of a site) and tried to corner him in the same message, saying either you continue to be a jerk or you become an ex RFF member.

He didn’t do it on-thread for reasons of tact? RFF members, come on!

(Note that no poster has addressed the issue of double standards regarding Bill58’s post saying that Arsenal can shove their stuff… you ALL know where.)

Even a schoolboy would know how to proceed. Magus proceeded in exactly the same way. Secret police, etc., have used the same methods for centuries.

Why was this foul threat sent to the private inbox and not posted publicly?

Why was the publicisation of the ‘veiled’ threat airbrushed – WITHIN SECONDS?

I think RFF members can understand the reason very well. I hope so.

Additionally, Back Alley’s offer of reconsideration worked in one direction only. ‘Reconsider, and you won’t be banned’, rather than: ‘O.K., I’ll ban you, but if you change your mind in 24 hrs I’ll lift it’. Since Mr. Gandy and Back Alley have the keyboard power anyway, that would have been the elegant risposte.

The fact is that they were delighted at being hand-fed with a perfect motive.

Ideally, there should be a post by Mr. Gandy on this thread. Actually, ideally Mr. Gandy should have apologised to Magus for literally ‘sending him a coercive letter’ in his supposedly private inbox on RFF using foul language to insult him and ‘impress’ him with the fact that the King speaks to him and calls him to order.

Now knowing Magus’ character, from so many posts since March 2006, they knew he wouldn’t cow-tow. Call this man a jerk in his private inbox and expect him to say sorry. Sorry, that doesn’t happen.

And just to dispel any illusions that may be lurking on, Magus does not wish to ‘return’. You (even his ‘friends’ who claimed their support privately) sentenced him to exile, so exile it is . If virtual demonstrations of protest are too much for you, imagine how you would feel with rubber bullets, tear gas and all. Particularly directed at Messrs FrankS and TomA, who wield more power on ‘the forum’ than they care to candidly admit.

As for Ferider, a lady who doth indeed protest too much, yes he did say in his post that Magus was banned more than once from ‘other forums’. PLURAL, no??

I only hope he has the decency not to either delete or edit that statement.

Don’t bother banning me, or blocking my IP address.

And as for those who offer their support to Magus, a note from the political minefields which the ‘virtual’ Magus has tread: support is not lip service, support is having the guts to revolt against tyranny, actual or virtual.

To conclude, repeating a statement from my original post,

‘Had there been a polite warning, as is I think the custom, there wouldn’t have been a problem.’

As for flunking exams regarding defamation and libel, RFF isn’t a compilation of written, published statements. It is a disjointed discussion. But that is irrelevant in the extreme, because I for one said neither that I am counsel to Magus nor that I intend to take action.

And enough time I have wasted and, unfortunately, so has Magus himself. His insistence has been labelled as ‘bullying’, others’ insistence is just defence of objective truths. No two ‘insistences’ are equal, after all.

Ah, well.

Bye.

Nice forum administration!

By the way, Magus’ three sh*tty photographs are still in the Galleries. And he has no control over them.

Food for thought?

Probably not.
 
Bertram4 said:
… is it rather reminiscent of Latin American Governments a few decades ago?

The fact that Magus opted out himself is not new. It was clearly stated in post number one:
Secret police, etc., have used the same methods for centuries.

Mr. Gandy should have apologised to Magus for literally ‘sending him a coercive letter’

(even his ‘friends’ who claimed their support privately) sentenced him to exile, so exile it is . If virtual demonstrations of protest are too much for you, imagine how you would feel with rubber bullets, tear gas and all.

And as for those who offer their support to Magus, a note from the political minefields which the ‘virtual’ Magus has tread: support is not lip service, support is having the guts to revolt against tyranny, actual or virtual.

Ok you won Magus! Here I’m really bothered: have you ever lived in a dictatorial country for saying such silly things??? When I was 5, I saw a soldier pointing his gun at my mother, just for a good laugh! And now for a stupid stupid stupid argument on internet, you’re talking about revolt against tyranny, secret police, exile, Chili or Argentina … and “coercive letter”. Do you know what an actual coercive action is?
This post is full of paranoia, narcissism (in the medical sense) and schizophrenia. For f**k sake, just stop behaving like a teen who has a problem with authority. You’re a big boy, aren’t you?

Mods, you can delete my post if it's inappropriate.

Best,

Marc
 
Magus spent his childhood in a dictatorship and even as a toddler challenged radio broadcasts by the dictator, risking his parents' lives.

And schizophrenia (ex dementia praecox) is a disease where one hears voices.
 
'Mods, you can delete my post if it's inappropriate.'

No comment.

Or perhaps... Vichy online?
 
Admittedly this forum was more fun when I was a new member and FSU cameras where the most discussed topic.
I don't subscribe to "Leica über alles" so I can't care less if any M or LTM mount lens is worse than the other. That's why I usually don't read Leica threads and I think I should stick to that.
To me it looks as if most camera forums turn into something like that other big photo site on the net sooner or later.
 
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