fuji firmware updates!

When it comes to af speed... Not even canon got it right w/ its first offering. The eos m only recently had what the Internet thought was good enough af speed after the latest fw update. They just announced a second gen today for Japan home market only the eos m2..

http://photorumors.com/2013/12/03/canon-eos-m2-mirrorless-camera-announced-in-japan/

The Nikon One was the only first gen csc that came out the door swinging w/ a fast af, but a lot of people could not get over the one inch sensor. If I were to ever buy a Nikon one it would be their new aw1.

There is always going to something about a first gen camera that is not going to be what everyone wants... And it is expected to be criticized.. However wait for the true second gen before u decide that they don't know what they are doing.

Enough of us jumped into the x100 and xp1 day one knowing the limitations.. I am happy I stayed w/ Fuji. When Fuji came out w/ three prime lenses day one for their xp1, I knew that they were going to in it for the long haul. IMHO Fuji lenses are amongst the best from my experience w/ their medium format and xpan lenses.

Gary
 
I was changing channels using a pliers, watched Sonny Liston and Cassius Clay in B&W.

I updated my XE1 and 35 1.4 and yes it's not hunting that much in lowlight. Alas, someone bought the combo today and I didn't have the chance to test it longer.
 
shiro_kuro said:
According to this the X Pro 1 Update is on the 5th [Release date of the new firmware] 5th December 2013 (Thu.) GMT 05:00/JST 14:00 http://www.fujifilm.com/news/n131128_03.html
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The original plan was for the X-Pro1 to get its update tomorrow and the rest of the X-Series cameras on the 19th, but Fuji has just announced a delay for the X-Pro1 until the 19th also. A nice wee birthday present for me then.
 
goamules said:
Um...I may not be understanding. Are you saying because these cameras today are so cheap, we should expect them to be throwaway? Maybe that's it. But still, I can use half century old mechanical cameras, and I doubt any of these digitals will be working in 15 years. Leica included.
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Why do people always bring up electronics like they die so quickly. A quick look around ebay for vintage video games, computers, turntables, stereo equipment, etc squashes that myth.

Digital cameras are computers with the same depreciation as home computers. They are tools, not family hierlooms.
 
jsrockit said:
Why do people always bring up electronics like they die so quickly. A quick look around ebay for vintage video games, computers, turntables, stereo equipment, etc squashes that myth.

Digital cameras are computers with the same depreciation as home computers. They are tools, not family hierlooms.
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agreed 100%, i love my old SNES.....
 
Not so sure about electronics life span?

Not so sure about electronics life span?

goamules said:
Um...I may not be understanding. Are you saying because these cameras today are so cheap, we should expect them to be throwaway? Maybe that's it. But still, I can use half century old mechanical cameras, and I doubt any of these digitals will be working in 15 years. Leica included.
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I'm not so sure any more about the assumption that electronic devices having short life span. I was visiting with one of the local camera repair shops recently. I noticed that his repair bench was covered in electronic control boards and lots of what looked like electronic measuring devices and soldering guns. I asked the owner about this. He says his business is now made up of roughly 50% replacing electronics in cameras and 50% working on manual cameras.

I suspect that as time goes by, more and more camera repairmen will be up to speed on replacing electronics when they die, thus turning our "throwaways" into "heirlooms". 🙂
 
Jamie Pillers said:
I'm not so sure any more about the assumption that electronic devices having short life span. I was visiting with one of the local camera repair shops recently. I noticed that his repair bench was covered in electronic control boards and lots of what looked like electronic measuring devices and soldering guns. I asked the owner about this. He says his business is now made up of roughly 50% replacing electronics in cameras and 50% working on manual cameras.

I suspect that as time goes by, more and more camera repairmen will be up to speed on replacing electronics when they die, thus turning our "throwaways" into "heirlooms". 🙂
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Well, maybe it depends ...

An old friend of mine was an electronics technician all his life, originally trained by the USAF. He's now started a new business in his retirement years, repairing and restoring vintage audio gear.

Business is booming because there's a sizable croed of folk out there who want to use receivers, amps, tuners from the 1970s and 1980s --- especially gear with brand names like Marantz, Onkyo, and so on.

Anyway, my friend is certain about one thing: Audio gear of recent vintage is, generally, not suitable for his business: It tends to be built with highly integrated, surface-mount components, many of which are entirely proprietary, and often designed/built for a company that may no longer exist.

Older gear, say stuff made in the 1970s/1980s, tends to be made of discrete components, most of those being pretty standard stuff.

In a word: If your amp/receiver suddenly dies [as two of mine have], he's got a much better chance of being able to revive it if the equipment was manufactured (say) 30 or 40 years ago than if it was manufactured within the last 10 years.

FWIW.
 
JRG said:
Well, maybe it depends ...

An old friend of mine was an electronics technician all his life, originally trained by the USAF. He's now started a new business in his retirement years, repairing and restoring vintage audio gear.

Older gear, say stuff made in the 1970s/1980s, tends to be made of discrete components, most of those being pretty standard stuff.
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Indeed. I have about a dozen pieces of 30-50 year old audio out for service right now!
 
tom.w.bn said:
Of course it's very nice that Fuji brings new features to older cameras but I still don't understand what's the financial benefit for Fuji.

Today I did an unscientific interview with five colleagues who have digital cameras (DSLRs, m43, Sony Nex). None of them is active in a forum, just normal camera users.

Only one of them knew, that something like a firmware update for cameras exists. He installed the latest update without knowing what the update changed, just to have the good feeling.

I believe these colleagues represent the typical camera buyer or better the biggest part of the market share for these types of cameras.

For those people it will never drive a purchase decision, if one manufacturer offers a lot of firmware updates.

No company on this whole planet does something without evaluating the financial benefit. So why is Fuji doing something that is seen as a benefit by a minority of customers only?
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in my crowd i'm the camera guy.
they ask me about all kinds of cameras and buying decisions. one friend is actually looking for a used point & shoot and i have his permission to buy one if i see a good deal and he will reimburse me.
fuji has my ear and if i like fuji there is a good chance my friends will 'like' them too.
 
tom.w.bn said:
I believe these colleagues represent the typical camera buyer or better the biggest part of the market share for these types of cameras.

For those people it will never drive a purchase decision, if one manufacturer offers a lot of firmware updates.

No company on this whole planet does something without evaluating the financial benefit. So why is Fuji doing something that is seen as a benefit by a minority of customers only?
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They might be typical consumer camera purchaser, but they are probably not the typical user for the X100, X-E1, and X-Pro1. I don't see these cameras being used by anyone in NYC unless they are into photography. I see alot of cameras too.
 
I guess it is so rare for a mega-corporation to take a long-term view about building a brand that it confuses people. Fuji's actions are consistent with wanting to slowly build a loyal international customer base instead of maximizing profit on a quarterly - or even yearly - basis. Of course Fuji can afford to to subsidize the Fujifilm Group for a long period of time. Nikon, for instance, is in the opposite situation. Is it a coincidence that Nikon never publicly acknowledged the D600 shutter oil splatter disaster? Fuji, if I remember correctly, acknowledged and replaced small cameras with defective sensor (the orb problem).

Amazon is another company that eschews short-term profit to build a long-term business.

tom.w.bn said:
Of course it's very nice that Fuji brings new features to older cameras but I still don't understand what's the financial benefit for Fuji.

Today I did an unscientific interview with five colleagues who have digital cameras (DSLRs, m43, Sony Nex). None of them is active in a forum, just normal camera users.

Only one of them knew, that something like a firmware update for cameras exists. He installed the latest update without knowing what the update changed, just to have the good feeling.

I believe these colleagues represent the typical camera buyer or better the biggest part of the market share for these types of cameras.

For those people it will never drive a purchase decision, if one manufacturer offers a lot of firmware updates.

No company on this whole planet does something without evaluating the financial benefit. So why is Fuji doing something that is seen as a benefit by a minority of customers only?
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tom.w.bn said:
Of course it's very nice that Fuji brings new features to older cameras but I still don't understand what's the financial benefit for Fuji.

Today I did an unscientific interview with five colleagues who have digital cameras (DSLRs, m43, Sony Nex). None of them is active in a forum, just normal camera users.

Only one of them knew, that something like a firmware update for cameras exists. He installed the latest update without knowing what the update changed, just to have the good feeling.

I believe these colleagues represent the typical camera buyer or better the biggest part of the market share for these types of cameras.

For those people it will never drive a purchase decision, if one manufacturer offers a lot of firmware updates.

No company on this whole planet does something without evaluating the financial benefit. So why is Fuji doing something that is seen as a benefit by a minority of customers only?
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Fuji's 'strategy' reminds me of Nikon in its infancy. It built a reputation of service to pro photographers. Nikon snapped up a lot of pros that had been using Leica before that. The big payoff, in my opinion, came to Nikon later when all of us "enthusiast" photographers bought Nikon because the pros used it. So maybe Fuji is up to the same thing... get a lot of pros on board and then get the big payoff down the road when all the "enthusiasts" want what the pros are using. 😛
 
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Well, I will be updating before the 19th with the X-E1, as I just bought an X-Pro1!

I had the a7 and the Zeiss 35 in the cart not once, but twice today. I just didn't feel it, at least not like I do with the Fuji kit. To make sure, I took my Nex-5n out with the Sigma 30 this afternoon and though a brilliant combination, I felt like I was fiddling with my piePhone. I now have to decide if it is time to give up the Sony flag altogether (though I may keep the RX100 -wifey loves it) and invest solely in Fuji as my walkabout choice.
 
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