The original X100 - with updated firmware - is still the only digital I'm interested in owning, even in 2017, irrespective of cost.
IMO the "improvements" on subsequent models are of questionable value and only seem to water down the original concept.
Really please explain how so?
mretina
Well-known
Yes. They have thoroughly knocked it out of the park.
Interesting - Can you suggest where should I get back in? x100s, x100t of x100f - as said I was very pleased with image quality and overall camera feeling, but to me shooting street and being able to focus as accurately as with an M2 is key (including autofocus, obviously do not expect to have to focus manually).
infrequent
Well-known
Interesting - Can you suggest where should I get back in? x100s, x100t of x100f - as said I was very pleased with image quality and overall camera feeling, but to me shooting street and being able to focus as accurately as with an M2 is key (including autofocus, obviously do not expect to have to focus manually).
From a value perspective, the x100s would be the ideal. They fixed almost all the grievances with the x100 including the poor AF and the image resolution is sufficient. This is the one I have most experience with. If you desire the newest sensor technology and the fastest AF of all the x100 cameras, then the x100f is the way forward. If you like to manual focus, the x100f has the option for greater magnification in the EVF to assist with that. The x100t right now is the odd one in the middle and likely to be skipped. I doubt they would match your M2 or more importantly would satisfy you to the same extent but they will get the job done.
The biggest attraction of the newer sensor technology for me is the new monochrome ACROS film simulation mode. While I won't claim it produces film like grain (I don't have enough experience with b+w film to make that judgement) it certainly produces very good results that are unlike any digital mono I have seen before. This is exclusive to the x100f and the other pro level X cameras such as xPro2 and X-T2.
benlees
Well-known
I had big plans for the x100, but it was not to be, ergonomically speaking. Loved the viewfinder and the (slightly flare-y) lens. Frankly, having no buttons on the left side of the screen has me interested in a x100f. That fact it is $500 more than the original x100 will mean getting a used one!
infrequent
Well-known
I had big plans for the x100, but it was not to be, ergonomically speaking. Loved the viewfinder and the (slightly flare-y) lens. Frankly, having no buttons on the left side of the screen has me interested in a x100f. That fact it is $500 more than the original x100 will mean getting a used one!
There is one in the classifieds at an excellent price!
Having handled the x100f, it certainly is more conducive to single hand usage than my x100s, precisely because all the buttons are to one side now. I don't care much for the ISO + shutter integrated dial, but can live with it. The design language evolution from the Contax T and G cameras, to Konica Hexar RF and Fuji xPan to these X cameras is uncanny!
bhop73
Well-known
I had an X100 when it first came out. I got an X100T when it came out to replace it. The only real reason is the AF. The difference is night and day IMO. I could never go back to the original at this point, and to clarify, it's not that it's "slow" it just doesn't always focus on what you expect it to. (the original) The T is perfectly fine (and I assume the S and F too)
willie_901
Veteran
My X100 only rendered acceptable shadow regions for raw file color work up to ISO 800. The X100T is at least one stop better. The X100F could be close to two. While this is most useful in low light, the dynamic range in bright light improves similarly.
The overall speed of the S,T and F cameras is a significant improvement as well. Even if one doesn't wish to use the newer AF modes, the AF modes that match the X100 will be be more reliable.
Whether or not these improvements are cost effective is a subjective question. Some have upgraded, some have not. I found the X100T to be worth it. To be fair, I was already familiar with the X-T1 AF improvements so using them on the X100T was second nature.
The overall speed of the S,T and F cameras is a significant improvement as well. Even if one doesn't wish to use the newer AF modes, the AF modes that match the X100 will be be more reliable.
Whether or not these improvements are cost effective is a subjective question. Some have upgraded, some have not. I found the X100T to be worth it. To be fair, I was already familiar with the X-T1 AF improvements so using them on the X100T was second nature.
benlees
Well-known
There is one in the classifieds at an excellent price!
Having handled the x100f, it certainly is more conducive to single hand usage than my x100s, precisely because all the buttons are to one side now. I don't care much for the ISO + shutter integrated dial, but can live with it. The design language evolution from the Contax T and G cameras, to Konica Hexar RF and Fuji xPan to these X cameras is uncanny!
It sold right away! Doh!
I haven't handled the x100f yet. I'm glad it handles well one handed; a key ergonomic factor, for sure.
mdwsta4
Matty Westside
I loved the original x100 and owned it when it was first released. Completely changed how I photographed the world and to this day it still does.
Upgraded to the 's' because I thought 'new sensor, faster focusing much be better'. At the time I was shooting a LOT of film and I just never got along with the camera.
Fast forward to the 't' and I bought it because of wifi and a better screen/viewfinder. Traveling a lot the wifi was so much nicer than unreliable/slow wifi sd cards or carrying a dongle. Paired with the SP-1 printer, that pair revolutionized how I traveled and interacted with people of different cultures/languages.
While I wasn't originally planning to, I did upgrade to the 'f' because of a combination of the battery, joystick, and sensor. Being an X-Pro 1/2 user, it's nice to only need one battery/charger when traveling. I got spoiled with the joystick, and it's nice being able to process images from both my x-series cameras the same way since they have the same sensor.
The original x100 and the 't' are still two of my favorite cameras of all time simply because they changed the way I did things. Can't think of any other cameras (film or digital) that did that for me.
Upgraded to the 's' because I thought 'new sensor, faster focusing much be better'. At the time I was shooting a LOT of film and I just never got along with the camera.
Fast forward to the 't' and I bought it because of wifi and a better screen/viewfinder. Traveling a lot the wifi was so much nicer than unreliable/slow wifi sd cards or carrying a dongle. Paired with the SP-1 printer, that pair revolutionized how I traveled and interacted with people of different cultures/languages.
While I wasn't originally planning to, I did upgrade to the 'f' because of a combination of the battery, joystick, and sensor. Being an X-Pro 1/2 user, it's nice to only need one battery/charger when traveling. I got spoiled with the joystick, and it's nice being able to process images from both my x-series cameras the same way since they have the same sensor.
The original x100 and the 't' are still two of my favorite cameras of all time simply because they changed the way I did things. Can't think of any other cameras (film or digital) that did that for me.
Chubberino
Well-known
It's still a reliable and superb companion for photography. I re-bought one last year and used it for a short while until I got an M8 which is now my carry around digital camera. Got the itch to get another one recently after my friend got the new x100f. This would be my third time dipping in but the prices need to settle a bit more for me to back again.
I predict in years to come that it will gain an even more devoted following and maintain good value versus quality proposition.
I predict in years to come that it will gain an even more devoted following and maintain good value versus quality proposition.
Archiver
Veteran
I've had the limited edition black version for some years now, and I've enjoyed it a lot. Image quality is excellent, and with the firmware updates it's a generally agreeable camera.
The only thing that bugs me is that it always wants to AF again, even if you keep the shutter button half-pressed between images. I have a number of cameras that keep AF locked when you have the button half-pressed. That, and the generally substandard video mode. The X100S and X100T video modes were even worse looking, which made me avoid them entirely. The X100F seems to have fixed the video quality issue.
But right now, with my M9 in for sensor replacement and my M7 wondering when I'm going to feed him another roll of film, the X100 is the closest thing I've got to a digital rangefinder. It's more like the spiritual successor to the Hexar AF, but it still kind of feels M-like.
The only thing that bugs me is that it always wants to AF again, even if you keep the shutter button half-pressed between images. I have a number of cameras that keep AF locked when you have the button half-pressed. That, and the generally substandard video mode. The X100S and X100T video modes were even worse looking, which made me avoid them entirely. The X100F seems to have fixed the video quality issue.
But right now, with my M9 in for sensor replacement and my M7 wondering when I'm going to feed him another roll of film, the X100 is the closest thing I've got to a digital rangefinder. It's more like the spiritual successor to the Hexar AF, but it still kind of feels M-like.
tbhv55
Well-known
The only thing that bugs me is that it always wants to AF again, even if you keep the shutter button half-pressed between images. I have a number of cameras that keep AF locked when you have the button half-pressed.
Initially, I had similar problems with mine, but switching to back-button focus changed all that.
willie_901
Veteran
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The only thing that bugs me is that it always wants to AF again, even if you keep the shutter button half-pressed between images.
This puzzles me.
"The camera focuses and sets exposure for photographs when the shutter button is pressed halfway and focus (AF) and exposure (AE) remain locked while the shutter button is kept in this position. Use focus and exposure lock to compose photographs with off-center subjects."
You choose only AF lock, only AE lock or both.
In AF-C mode the AF operates continuously. In AF-S mode it should be possible to lock focus.
In MF mode a shutter half-press doesn't affect focus (with the X10T anyway).
Archiver
Veteran
This puzzles me.
"The camera focuses and sets exposure for photographs when the shutter button is pressed halfway and focus (AF) and exposure (AE) remain locked while the shutter button is kept in this position. Use focus and exposure lock to compose photographs with off-center subjects."
You choose only AF lock, only AE lock or both.
In AF-C mode the AF operates continuously. In AF-S mode it should be possible to lock focus.
In MF mode a shutter half-press doesn't affect focus (with the X10T anyway).
In X100 AF-C or AF-S, focus isn't retained if you keep the shutter button half pressed between images. For example, I half press to focus on the subject. Press the rest of the way to take the picture, but keep the button half pressed. Press the rest of the way, and instead of using the original focus, it refocuses and then takes the picture.
On other cameras like the Ricoh GR and Panasonic LX7, not to mention all the m43 cameras, keeping the button half pressed means that the camera retains original focus. You take take multiple shots with the same focus as long as you keep the button half pressed between shots. It's a great time saver, and it would be great if the X100 did this in AF mode.
willie_901
Veteran
So the text I quoted from the X100 PDF manual is either irrelevant to how you want to use the camera or incorrect?
ACullen
Well-known
I use my X100 as my digital camera of first choice. It’s jpegs are great and I’ve found nothing to complain cf my Nikon D700. I prefer the it over my XE2 A’s well. Slow AF is the only reason I’d consider upgrading.
JoeLopez
Well-known
Agreed. I upgraded to a used X100T for wifi connectivity to my Fuji SP-2 printer, and because I wanted blackI use my X100 as my digital camera of first choice. It’s jpegs are great and I’ve found nothing to complain cf my Nikon D700. I prefer the it over my XE2 A’s well. Slow AF is the only reason I’d consider upgrading.
helen.HH
To Light & Love ...
I just got the T here from the Classifieds
Thank You 'Bingley'
Great little cam, easy to use... I like the rendering
my only misgiving... not too keen on 35
much prefer 21 / 50mm
Thank You 'Bingley'
Great little cam, easy to use... I like the rendering
my only misgiving... not too keen on 35
much prefer 21 / 50mm
tbhv55
Well-known
I just got the T here from the Classifieds
Thank You 'Bingley'
Great little cam, easy to use... I like the rendering
my only misgiving... not too keen on 35
much prefer 21 / 50mm
There isn't much you can do about getting to 21mm on the x100, but you can get the TCL-x100 converter to get 50mm (equivalent). I got one recently, and I'm really enjoying it. It's quite large, and therefore is very visible in the optical viewfinder, but no problem if you use the EVF (obviously!
BTW, before buying it, I was concerned about the combination of the x100 and TCL looking a little weird (having seen photos of it, and being less-than-impressed), but IMO, it looks much better in reality than it does in any photograph - in fact, I'd go so far as to say that I think it enhances the appearance.
You can, of course, Google some photos of the combination, but I'd suggest a visit to your camera store to try one out, for real.
helen.HH
To Light & Love ...
There isn't much you can do about getting to 21mm on the x100, but you can get the TCL-x100 converter to get 50mm (equivalent). I got one recently, and I'm really enjoying it. It's quite large, and therefore is very visible in the optical viewfinder, but no problem if you use the EVF (obviously!).
BTW, before buying it, I was concerned about the combination of the x100 and TCL looking a little weird (having seen photos of it, and being less-than-impressed), but IMO, it looks much better in reality than it does in any photograph - in fact, I'd go so far as to say that I think it enhances the appearance.
You can, of course, Google some photos of the combination, but I'd suggest a visit to your camera store to try one out, for real.![]()
Cool ... Great Idea !
That gives me Best of both Worlds for shooting digi
will look this weekend and try it out at one of the stores...
Thank You
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