Fuji x100 - is it the M10?

Problem with $1700 is it's too close to a used Canon 5D with a great 35mm f/2 might even fit in a used Zeiss or Contax lens for that money. But that neat inscription of the top is so "50's-70's"
 
Bill Pierce said:
Please, the M9 has one of the worst high ISO performances, perhaps THE worst, of any recent "35mm," full-frame digital. For the available light shooters this is a terrible disadvantage.
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But but but ... haven't you seen all those ISO 2500 images posted that prove otherwise?

Neither have I! 😀

Seriously ... the new Fuji will defeinitely give Leica something to think about with the next version of the X1.
 
paulfitz76 said:
Problem with $1700 is it's too close to a used Canon 5D with a great 35mm f/2 might even fit in a used Zeiss or Contax lens for that money. But that neat inscription of the top is so "50's-70's"
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Let's see you slip that combo into your coat pocket! 😀
 
If the camera offers real manual focus and a real rangefinder, it will be well sold, but I doubt it will offer the same comfortable classic RF focusing... I don't think it will offer as much control as the M9 or one of my Bessas I can slip inside my pockets with the flat 28 or a collapsible 50... I'm not interested in any way, but if the focus is really manual through a RF, it will be a nice tool for digital people...

Cheers,

Juan
 
buzzardkid said:
I'd get this if it is anything as promising as it looks. And that coming from someone who sold the M8 to go back to film!

So, why?

x100-4.jpg

  • Functions selectable (notice the Fn in the 'frame counter window')
  • Manual aperture possible: from f2 to f16 + A
  • Manual shutter possible , up to 4000th + A [sync speed?]
  • Exposure correction: +/- 2-stops in 1/3 stop increment
  • EVF at the right place !!! Switchable to OVF !!!
  • Multiple dataset display including grid possible, so far seen in other pictures include: WB, Exp#, L/F selection (?), ISO, shutter speed, f-stop, histogram, exp. compensation...some dataset also displayed in LCD
  • Distance scale with DoF range highlighted in white...at bottom of frameline, obviously coupled to lens aperture
  • APS-C 23mm f2.0 lens = 34.5mm in 35mm terms [if cropped to 6Mp becomes a 46mm FL]
  • ISO 200 to 6400 [ISO 100 to ISO 12,800 with boost]
  • FUJI sensor (remember the S3 Pro and the S5 Pro's dynamic range!?)
  • Manual selection for AF, AF-S, AF-C [left edge of camera]
  • Manual AFL/AEL [back right]
  • AF with manual focusing via lens ring (?) or horizontal wheel in back [top right] ......Update: the thumb wheel is a "Convenient command lever", see: http://www.finepix-x100.com/x100.
  • Tripod socket in bottom centre [pictures shown camera so mounted on Slik tripod]
  • SD card door on camera right...battery from bottom (?)
  • Magnesium alloy body [from Fuji brochure]
  • Direct menu access to WB and RAW
  • Standard cable release socket [centre of shutter release]
  • 46mm filter size [via simple photogrammetric measurement]
  • Flange to sensor plane distance = 26mm [also via simple photogrammetric measurement]
For gawds sake, let that be a metal body!?!?!?🙄 And I hope that knurling on the lens means manual focus is possible!?!?!?!


EDIT: apparently top and bottom plates are magnesium alloy !!!
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I have been trying to extract more specifications. Orange text is my contribution.

I purchased a ZI with a CV 40/1.4 as my one camera/lens outfit for my early retirement around-the-world trip...hoping there might be a dZI before departure date. Whether Zeiss might still surprise us or not, the X100 is now an alternative.

While the brochure is marked as "Development Announcement", floor samples with hands-on fondling allowed tells me that the camera is much further along than a working prototype...especially the EVF display dataset [indicating also mature firmware].

The X100 spec. indicates to me that this is the best auto/manual digital non-DSLR camera available. I like the way it should work. My money is ready...BTW, another on-line report indicates that black is a colour option.

Addendum: the X100 is 127mm wide, 10mm less than the M-body; and main chassis 31mm thick, 2mm less than the M. I hope it is not too light and built solid like my Canon G7.

Addendum: There was a hands-on comment that the camera "was solid like a stone".
 
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given Fuji and Cosina's relationship with the latest folding medium format cameras i wouldn't be surprised if they release a "Voigtlander VM mount" version of something very similar to this, in due time. provided sales are high (perhaps the profiits from this camera will fund the R&D for that camera?).
 
paulfitz76 said:
Problem with $1700 is it's too close to a used Canon 5D with a great 35mm f/2 might even fit in a used Zeiss or Contax lens for that money. But that neat inscription of the top is so "50's-70's"
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You'd think that, but I own a canon 5d with a zeiss distagon 35mm f2, and I will be buying this fuji. They're two completely different cameras, and they're not targeting people who will be buying this as their only camera. They're targeting real photographers who will supplement their DSLR with it. And that's exactly what I'll be doing with it.
 
NickTrop said:
I agree - but only I'd say "back to the future". I think the speculated price is too high for what is essentially a digital Yashica Electro. I have my own equivalent - the Nikon D5000 with a 35 f1.8 fixed lens always attached. It even has the same Sony sensor of the Fuji, and I'm more than happy with the 35/1.8 Nikon... in fact, I prefer the 50mm focal length to the 35mm of the Fuji. $1000 is the highest I'd personally go for the Fuji. I don't see why this camera should cost any more than a DSLR. Sensor - same; electronics - essentially the same. The dials can't cost that much, the main difference is the form factor.

If this is released at the $1200-$1500 price, I'll call my Nikon "the poor man's Fuji X100" and pass, unfortunately. Though this is no where near as hot looking as the Fuji, it probably has the same functionality - if not more, same IQ (guessing, same sensor, excellent lens) and is "compact enough".
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It will definitely be over $1500us - I'd say $1800. It's a completely different camera to a base model DSLR - different build, different materials, newer technology, and it comes with what I expect will be a very very high quality lens.
I think you're making a mistake regarding it as a digital yashica electro - It's so much better than that. Granted I did buy like 5 of them in a row and not one of them worked properly so I have a grudge on them, but they were very basic cameras - not even a full manual mode. This has the same functionality as a hexar AF or a contax G1/G2. Both of which were over $1500 when they came out.
 
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Harry Lime said:
I'm surprised it doesn't have an EXR or SuperCCD sensor. It would have been nice to shoot with 10 stops of range, but I'm not going to bite the hand that feeds me
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It seems manufacturers are using CMOS sensors in all APS-C and above cameras - including this camera per the published specs. It's not a CCD. CMOS sensors are less expensive to produce and less prone to overheating, which is why CCDs are used in all video cameras and DSLRs shut down when shooting video over a few minutes for overheating.
 
fdigital said:
No, it's not a rangefinder. It has autofocus and some sort of manual focus assist that we don't know yet.
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If or not it is a rangefinder will depend on how the camera is programmed (in firmware). Because it could overlay parts of the EVF/LCD (coming from the lens - call it a digital patch) with the optical viewfinder. We don't know yet, but it sounds like the technology is there.

Juan, the big thing is the viewfinder with changing brightlines and the 35/2 lens. Basically a digital Hexar AF.
 
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Juan Valdenebro said:
Then the R-D1 is a lot better as a photographic tool... (To me...)

This looks like the u4/3 hype, but paying more, and with a fix lens...

Cheers,

Juan
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Exactly, too much hype and have to pay more. There are going to be other APS-C cameras out on the market such as the Samsung which has interchangeable lenses. People also forget that the DP1/2 has a large sensor with a fixed lens that costs below $1000. I hope Fuji learned something from their 670 MF release. I don't think this camera can sell as much as they'd want it to if it isn't priced to what the market can bear. And no, it's not a Leica, it's a Fuji. 🙄

Though I'd have to admit, it's a hot looking retro styled digicam 😎
 
This promises to have much better IQ than either the RD-1 or the m43 crowd and it promises the elusive and all-important "fun factor" (including ergonomics and looks) in use. That is a very powerful combo.

Bill already mentioned the low light performance of the M9. I bet the Fuji beats the pants off anything my Leica M8 and any f/1.0-1.2 lens can do (in terms of light capture, not DOF), not to mention the cron 28.

I'm really beginning to think that my commitment to the M system (through expensive lenses) is a mistake. Sure I'll keep some around to shoot film, which is irreplaceable for me. But somebody other than Leica has to get back soon into making a digital M-lens platform or I'll just have to cash out of the M-lens thing. The low-light limits of the M8 sensor are just unacceptable for me and the M9 is priced off the map.

This new offering from Fuji looks like it would really fit my style.
 
Gary E said:
Exactly, too much hype and have to pay more. There are going to be other APS-C cameras out on the market such as the Samsung which has interchangeable lenses. People also forget that the DP1/2 has a large sensor with a fixed lens that costs below $1000. I hope Fuji learned something from their 670 MF release. I don't think this camera can sell as much as they'd want it to if it isn't priced to what the market can bear. And no, it's not a Leica, it's a Fuji. 🙄

Though I'd have to admit, it's a hot looking retro styled digicam 😎
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I love the DP1, but have you tried using it in low light?
 
I am not sold on digital per se, but this Fuji X100 does somewhat interest me. I like the form and size and functionality. For me, as for many, the IQ will be the key. Any image samples?
 
Watching the Fuji product development video, it appears that the optical viewfinder with frame lines permits one to see outside the main shooting area, like in a rangefinder. So, although it's not a split-image RF focusing system, it has the RF advantage of predictive composition. It looks interesting, indeed.

~Joe
 
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