f16sunshine
Moderator
...http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9951658850/fujifilm-announces-x30-enthusiast-compact-camera
What happened to th 1" sensor?
They also dropped the ovf.
I very much liked the x20 but ultimately the 2/3" sensor made me sell it.
The X30 was long rumored to have a 1" sensor (ala nikon v1 and sony rx100).
Rumors are BS
What happened to th 1" sensor?
They also dropped the ovf.
I very much liked the x20 but ultimately the 2/3" sensor made me sell it.
The X30 was long rumored to have a 1" sensor (ala nikon v1 and sony rx100).
Rumors are BS
burancap
Veteran
The big selling point with the X10 and much better 20 was the OVF.
Now I know that the EVF has come long way, but I agree with you. I think this one will be a big stinker.
Now I know that the EVF has come long way, but I agree with you. I think this one will be a big stinker.
B-9
Devin Bro
I like the look of the lens better, but the rest is kind of hard to look at.
Ljós
Well-known
Hm, I love optical viewfinders more than anyone, but doesn't this solve the problem of viewfinder coverage and of showing exactly where the camera is focusing on?
I handled the X10 and X20, looking whether it could be my first digital camera to supplement analog shooting, color for vacations etc. I liked a lot of things about both, but ultimately the optical viewfinder had too many shortcomings for me (not showing enough of what gets on the sensor.)
I have no idea how good or bad this current OLED technology is, but is it not possible that the camera as a whole does get better this way?
Gonna be interesting to hear what you say, I am not up to speed in all things newfangled stuff ;-) (I am considering color film to be experimental technology ;-) ;-) ;-) )
I handled the X10 and X20, looking whether it could be my first digital camera to supplement analog shooting, color for vacations etc. I liked a lot of things about both, but ultimately the optical viewfinder had too many shortcomings for me (not showing enough of what gets on the sensor.)
I have no idea how good or bad this current OLED technology is, but is it not possible that the camera as a whole does get better this way?
Gonna be interesting to hear what you say, I am not up to speed in all things newfangled stuff ;-) (I am considering color film to be experimental technology ;-) ;-) ;-) )
v_roma
Well-known
Personally, I think the EVF is a definite improvement over the OVFs in the previous versions, which were inaccurate to the point of not being usable for me. And, yes, I have used rangefinders, film p&s, etc. but if we are saying that the OVF was the key selling point for the X10/X0, they should've done a better job with it.
Some of the other improvements in the X30 are interesting as well but, ultimately, the new bar for enthusiast "compact" camera sensors seems to be 1" thanks for Sony and company, and I just can't see the X30 being a hit.
Some of the other improvements in the X30 are interesting as well but, ultimately, the new bar for enthusiast "compact" camera sensors seems to be 1" thanks for Sony and company, and I just can't see the X30 being a hit.
Hsg
who dares wins
Perfect for "street photography".
aizan
Veteran
the ovf was only a selling point if you didn't mind the 85% coverage, lack of framelines, smallish size, slight dimness, and basic viewfinder display.
the 2/3'' sensor doesn't appeal to me either, but most of the shots i see from 1'' sensors show the limits of its dynamic range so i'm a little iffy on that as well. isn't there anyone shooting an rx100 or rx10 that knows how to expose and post-process well? :bang:
the 2/3'' sensor doesn't appeal to me either, but most of the shots i see from 1'' sensors show the limits of its dynamic range so i'm a little iffy on that as well. isn't there anyone shooting an rx100 or rx10 that knows how to expose and post-process well? :bang:
Jack Sparrow
Well-known
If you haven't used the X-E2/X-T1, you might just be surprised at how good that EVF really is! Wasn't much of an EVF fan myself - until I tried (and bought) the X-T1!
daveleo
what?
I owned an X10 for about a month. The OVF was (IMO) very very disappointing, and the images were (sadly being compared to my X100) disappointing too.
I was not going for an X30 in any case, but a 1" sensor might have gotten (is that English?) my attention - at least to read up on the rest of the specs.
I was not going for an X30 in any case, but a 1" sensor might have gotten (is that English?) my attention - at least to read up on the rest of the specs.
Kiev Ilegalac
Established
EVF is improvement, 2/3 or 1", not much diffrence for DOF I would say and the IQ will be just fine for sure. All in all I think this is a great camera. I would love to have one 
Hsg
who dares wins
For one, X30 kills Nikon V3.
The X30 was long rumored to have a 1" sensor (ala nikon v1 and sony rx100).
Rumors are BS![]()
In all fairness it's been long rumored not to have it as well...
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
+1 to it.It's a dud![]()
Now it just one from many, nothing special and noting interesting to spend money for.
burancap
Veteran
No, I guess I can agree with the later posters -the OVF was not all that great, and yes -I use several different EVF cameras. I guess the better point is that if it was EVF only now, I'd rather have a used XE.
f16sunshine
Moderator
I owned the Fuji x20 and Soy RX100 at the same time. Tested them side by side and anyalyzed the IQ at same ISO's and close as possible same apertures and FL's.
The 1" snesor made a huge difference. Even though I far prefered th X20 Handling and overall package I took the RX100 with me on a trip to Europe and sold the x20 (since sold the rx100 also.... I'm picky its true).
A 1" sensor with the Xtrans array and X20 handling would be a perfect little camera.
The loss of the OVF sucks but not as much as having that small little chip. The files just did not have the Pop. Prints lacked the sharpness and life compared to th RX100 files.
I don't follow the rumors very closely. The last Rumor I read about the X30 wa that it would have the 1".
It makes sense considering the progression of these cameras. That's were my disapoinment lies.
It's probably going to be a very nice camera for folks with a lesser expectation in terms of ultimate output.
After testing the X20 and finding it's chip a dud. This X30 camera with the same chip is just another dud
The 1" snesor made a huge difference. Even though I far prefered th X20 Handling and overall package I took the RX100 with me on a trip to Europe and sold the x20 (since sold the rx100 also.... I'm picky its true).
A 1" sensor with the Xtrans array and X20 handling would be a perfect little camera.
The loss of the OVF sucks but not as much as having that small little chip. The files just did not have the Pop. Prints lacked the sharpness and life compared to th RX100 files.
I don't follow the rumors very closely. The last Rumor I read about the X30 wa that it would have the 1".
It makes sense considering the progression of these cameras. That's were my disapoinment lies.
It's probably going to be a very nice camera for folks with a lesser expectation in terms of ultimate output.
After testing the X20 and finding it's chip a dud. This X30 camera with the same chip is just another dud
Sparrow
Veteran
... never mind, I expect there will be another rumour along shortly
Kwesi
Well-known
I see Fuji making a gradual but firm shift away from the x100/x10/XPro1 ethos to a company that is very much in love with the idea of being seen as the company with the most cutting edge technology per square inch. In this new thinking, Form factor is now secondary and the Xtrans sensor is the best in the world, so good in fact,that its size does not have to compete.
f16sunshine
Moderator
I see Fuji making a gradual but firm shift away from the x100/x10/XPro1 ethos to a company that is very much in love with the idea of being seen as the company with the most cutting edge technology per square inch. In this new thinking, Form factor is now secondary and the Xtrans sensor is the best in the world, so good in fact,that its size does not have to compete.
Maybe.
That 2/3 xtrans sensor does not compete though the cameras they come in are very nice indeed (X20 is wonderful in many ways).
It's a $600 Camera. There are m43 models that sell for less at this point.
What is Fuji riding on with the X30?.... style points?
This baby is going to flop
Georgiy Romanov
stray cat
Still love my X20. I knew that they will cut the optical viewfinder. No matter how bad it is, X20 have the best viewfinder in compact camera class. I also confused about sensor size, thinking it would be bigger. Like what they improve battery life.
Spanik
Well-known
If you haven't used the X-E2/X-T1, you might just be surprised at how good that EVF really is! Wasn't much of an EVF fan myself - until I tried (and bought) the X-T1!
Tried the X-T1 and decided NOT to buy. Seriously, that isn't even close to an ovf.
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