Solinar
Analog Preferred
I don't read Japanese very well - but I definitely found the following advertisement in English for what look like a new entry into the Micro 4/3rd market.
http://livedoor.2.blogimg.jp/e_p1/imgs/c/8/c8e33d3d.jpg
The more the merrier - if they all share the same lens mount.
http://livedoor.2.blogimg.jp/e_p1/imgs/c/8/c8e33d3d.jpg
The more the merrier - if they all share the same lens mount.
FA Limited
missing in action
photochop ....
FrozenInTime
Well-known
unfortunately it's an old fake
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=33928982
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=33928982
Solinar
Analog Preferred
You are probably right. It looks too much like a Fujifilm Klasse.
kuzano
Veteran
Wow... a real kink in my near-E-P2 purchase.
Wow... a real kink in my near-E-P2 purchase.
I've been waiting out the march of m43 models and so close to purchasing the E-P2 with a couple of reservations.
There have been rumblings for a bit now on Fujifilm joining m43 with their EXR sensor spec'd to 12Mp 4/3 and the lens mount, using all the current 4/3 lenses.
I have a serious predilection for Fufifilm (all their film camera's), including a handful of P&S and superzooms. Never had a bad Fuji here.
So, this will seriously have to be pondered, by me, as the direction I will go, once it's reviewed and available. I have no doubt it will happen, and will be my choice.
After all, there is still the E-P2 and whatever Olympus currently has up their sleeve in the meantime. Early 2010 will be interesting. I don't expect we will see too much in the way of big new DSLR's as the manufacturers seem to be intent on riding this new "serious" bridge camera train.
Nikanon is going to be seriously hurt if they don't get on board with a mirrorless AP-C based camera. Hell, maybe they will join Olympus, Panasonic and Fuji. That door has been open since the inception of 4 Thirds.
The micro 43 market is kicking some serious ass in digital offerings and they are coming fast and heavy. Not a true loser in the bunch.
Bye Bye to Ricoh, Samsung and all the mirrorless, interchangeable lens EVF
pretenders. Try to keep up!
Wow... a real kink in my near-E-P2 purchase.
I've been waiting out the march of m43 models and so close to purchasing the E-P2 with a couple of reservations.
There have been rumblings for a bit now on Fujifilm joining m43 with their EXR sensor spec'd to 12Mp 4/3 and the lens mount, using all the current 4/3 lenses.
I have a serious predilection for Fufifilm (all their film camera's), including a handful of P&S and superzooms. Never had a bad Fuji here.
So, this will seriously have to be pondered, by me, as the direction I will go, once it's reviewed and available. I have no doubt it will happen, and will be my choice.
After all, there is still the E-P2 and whatever Olympus currently has up their sleeve in the meantime. Early 2010 will be interesting. I don't expect we will see too much in the way of big new DSLR's as the manufacturers seem to be intent on riding this new "serious" bridge camera train.
Nikanon is going to be seriously hurt if they don't get on board with a mirrorless AP-C based camera. Hell, maybe they will join Olympus, Panasonic and Fuji. That door has been open since the inception of 4 Thirds.
The micro 43 market is kicking some serious ass in digital offerings and they are coming fast and heavy. Not a true loser in the bunch.
Bye Bye to Ricoh, Samsung and all the mirrorless, interchangeable lens EVF
pretenders. Try to keep up!
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Paul T.
Veteran
NO!
For clarity, Fred's picture has been acknowledged as a fan mockup. I would lvoe to know any definitive news about when Fuji will jump, if they do.
For clarity, Fred's picture has been acknowledged as a fan mockup. I would lvoe to know any definitive news about when Fuji will jump, if they do.
aizan
Veteran
i must admit, the fujifilm klasse series really is classy:
NickTrop
Veteran
In the same boat, waiting for the "bridge camera" (as you aptly describe) phase to g'way. As for the 4/3'rds - as Bugs Bunny would say, "Ya gettin' warmer, doc..." Close but no cigar, and part of the issue is the size of the 4/3 sensor itself. And I also agree with you about Fuji cameras... great from film to digital. Fuji fan here. That said, don't say "Bye bye" to Samsung. Their NX10 is THE camera. $699 at B&H (though the camera is not for sale yet - soon)... APS-C sensor, interchangeable lenses (new mount though), mirrorless, built-in EVF (a must for me), optional 45mm equiv f2 prime, and form factor similar to the 4/3 cameras plus HD video, 14 megapixels, good high ISO capabilities...
All the boxes checked. Tellin' ya fellas, this is the one.
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/...es/ES-NX10ZZSEB/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail
kuzano
Veteran
Well, it's getting interesting and may be sooner
Well, it's getting interesting and may be sooner
The 4/3rumors site rumors the announcement at PMA, which probably has nothing to do with a release date.
Other pictures rumored have the camera looking much more like an existing Fujifilm superzoom, or also much like the Samson NX AP-c version. Bigger grip to left of lens, not so rangefinderlike.
It's always interesting to see where these rumors end up.
Well, it's getting interesting and may be sooner
The 4/3rumors site rumors the announcement at PMA, which probably has nothing to do with a release date.
Other pictures rumored have the camera looking much more like an existing Fujifilm superzoom, or also much like the Samson NX AP-c version. Bigger grip to left of lens, not so rangefinderlike.
It's always interesting to see where these rumors end up.
NickTrop
Veteran
Tellin' ya, this new Samsung is gonna render the 4/3'rd cameras ob-so-LeEEEe-te. (Say with sing-song voice...)
apconan
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sorry, samsung will never be a main contender in the camera industry. They could release even a sub-1000 full frame and still be the budget me-too camera brand they are today
Fujitsu
Well-known
Well I was thinking the same before I actually played with a GF1 for a weekend. Its certainly different but not worse to have a larger screen in front of you for composing. Somewhat like using a rolleiflex.
Fujitsu
Well-known
As long as it aint full frame I see no threat.
semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
You are comparing the wrong cameras. The GH1 is the correct comparison.
More expensive? Sure, but it's a camera released a year ago. Pana can drop the GH1 price at will. Don't forget that Panasonic is roughly the size of Samsung, has been in both electronics and imaging for a *long* time.
I doubt that very much so. I'd much rather have the E-P1/P2, the GF-1, or the X1 over the Samsung. Call me crazy...
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
I agree, Nick. Its all an electronics game now. And Samsung is the only one that has my interest at the moment. I hope some of the other players jump into the APS-C/EVF/interchangeable lens game. And there can only be better ideas to come... SOON!!
And by the way... a couple of years ago (before micro-4/3) I said this was coming, and I was thoroughly lambasted here. I said I thought it would take 5 years. Its only taken 3. To those here that think digital won't ever look as good as film.... you should rather be thinking how soon! The only 'benefit' of film that's going to be left in 2 or 3 years is the 'pleasures' of the darkroom.
And by the way... a couple of years ago (before micro-4/3) I said this was coming, and I was thoroughly lambasted here. I said I thought it would take 5 years. Its only taken 3. To those here that think digital won't ever look as good as film.... you should rather be thinking how soon! The only 'benefit' of film that's going to be left in 2 or 3 years is the 'pleasures' of the darkroom.
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
How can you say that yet? The Samsung isn't out there yet! Lets take a look at the images it produces first. And if you read between the lines on the Samsung site, there are more of these NX ideas coming down the pipe very soon.
NickTrop
Veteran
Forget the name and the "retro styling"... Form follows function. This was true of the initial rangefinder cameras they're "retro"-ing. In fact, making feature/benefit concessions - or charging a higher price, to have function follow form is what makes no sense, which is exactly what the other 4/3 manufacturers are doing, currently. They (Oly and Panny) will pay the price when Samsung enters the market with a camera that's "close enough" to their offerings in size, includes a full APS-C-sized 14 megapixel sensor (and all the advantages that has over the micro 4/3, including resolution), has everything else the others have, has a better/newer AMOLED display panel that holds up better in bright light, includes an EVF - as it should, rather than gouge more serious users with a silly-priced (and kluge) add on. (And why didn't they include an EVF in the first place? Didn't want to mess up those "retro lines"? And if you want one - well, you'll pay through the nose... Wonder what the margin is on those things?) Supposedly (we'll see) has excellent control over blown highlights, etc. For a price that is about 20% less than similar offerings. More for less always ultimately wins.
Do you wonder why Oly is rushing their II to market? I'll tell you, they want to get their money now because their line can't compete with Samsung and prices will drop once the Samsung catches on, which it will. Do you really think Olympus Camera can compete with Samsung? Samsung is, obviously, engaging in preditory pricing on this model - and they can afford to do this as an electronics giant, to gain entrance and "clear out" a crowded field. You benefit as a consumer.
1. People will scoff at first, doing it already.
2. People will read those "highly recommended" rave reviews on the Internet and photographic press...
3. People will see results... a "buzz" will start
4. There will be a brief shortages at the shops. Prices might even go up a bit.
5. There will be active Samsung NX10 forums on the Internets
6. Suddenly lowly "Samsung" will be the next "big name" in photography.
Sadly, and probably, at the expense of some of the smaller traditional camera companies - again.
apconan
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Nicktrop, you said yourself the proof is in the pudding. You haven't tried the camera, and there is little information online. So why don't you stop spamming this board with the spec sheet (this isn't the only thread you've posted it). And, if Samsung does become a success, I'll send you dollar.
By the way, how much is Samsung paying you? Not much I'd imagine, judging by how crappy their cameras are...
By the way, how much is Samsung paying you? Not much I'd imagine, judging by how crappy their cameras are...
NickTrop
Veteran
I'm not "spamming" I'm responding/defending my position and reacting to other posts "scoff-y" posts, esp of those who have invested in what will likely be obsolete in a couple years 4/3rd system offerings. I have no affiliation with Samsung, owned a VCR of theirs (I think) back in college in the 80's though, so I'm not being paid. As for "proof being in the pudding" - no the camera isn't out yet, but there have been enough "hands on" reviews trickling in from respected objective sources and enough sample images to form an early opinion.