getting camera to Joe, surplus funds

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copake_ham said:
Frank,

I thought of a poll too, but we cannot restrict it to the actual contributors so the result may not express the sentiment of the giftors.

I think we know what Joe will say - his humility is one of the things we are thanking him for.

So rather, I nominate YOU to make the decision and will support whatever you choose!

George

copake_ham - Frank was just trying to do something nice. Now here you are putting a big burden on Frank.

But I will support you. 😀 😀 😀

Actually Frank, I would not personally put such a decision on you. Hopefully after purchase, shipping and taxes, there won't be too much left anyway. As I said, I am a little more in favor of a gift certificate, but not adamant about it. All to Joe or surplus to RFF, my personal stake in this has been well spent. Of course I don't know how much I have to say even as I was a late one to jump on the bandwagon.
 
FrankS said:
Would anyone object to leaving the decision to me as opposed to conducting a poll?

Not a problem for me. You've run this operation well so far.

William
 
jlw said:
I STRONGLY suggest you consult state laws before you start using RFF to advertise a lottery!! (Don't ask; it was a long time ago, but I found out about this the hard way. Let's just say that in most states, attorney general is an elective office, so they're not exactly adverse to publicity for busting out-of-state "gambling" operations.)

I also was struck by the similarity to the idea of a keh. The way I've read about it is that a group of families agrees to get together once a week for a potluck dinner. At the dinner, each chips in a set amount -- say, $20. Then they have a drawing, and whosever name is drawn gets the money.

What makes this different from a lottery is that once you've won, you're no longer eligible next time -- so eventually, everyone will win the pot once (you're honor-bound to stay in the group and keep contributing after you win.)

In mathematical terms, this means that the money you get out eventually is exactly equal to what you put in, so you're not actually gaining anything compared to what you'd get by socking away your own $20 every week for a year -- it's really a savings plan rather than a game of chance (thus avoiding legal problems.) Still, not everyone has the willpower to save $20 a week and leave it untouched for a year -- but in the dinner-game setting, you've got a social incentive to stick with the program, and every week you get to see somebody walk out with $1,040 (assuming it's a year-long cycle) knowing that sooner or later, that somebody is going to be you.

I'm not volunteering to set this up (it really works better in person) but there it is as an idea...

I never heard of whole families getting together, maybe sometimes they do. At any rate, I don't really think that is what we want to do here, or a lottery either (reread the post on lotteries and inherent dangers).

Cheers.
 
oftheherd said:
copake_ham - Frank was just trying to do something nice. Now here you are putting a big burden on Frank.

But I will support you. 😀 😀 😀

Actually Frank, I would not personally put such a decision on you. Hopefully after purchase, shipping and taxes, there won't be too much left anyway. As I said, I am a little more in favor of a gift certificate, but not adamant about it. All to Joe or surplus to RFF, my personal stake in this has been well spent. Of course I don't know how much I have to say even as I was a late one to jump on the bandwagon.

How about this?

Whoever "gave" and feels strongly about the "surplus" issue should PM Frank with their "opinion".

It won't be a scientific poll but presumably someone who didn't contribute is unlikely to send a PM that could (if he wanted to) be verified by Frank.

As I said, I'm indifferent b/w the two choices and defer to Frank.
 
We can simply delay the decision on the surplus until later, once it is all in and collected (MO's sent by mail).

I'm trying to learn more about the courrier service where we can pay all charges upfront and the delivery time is a day or 2.

Let's get this camera/lens/hood to Joe asap.
 
raid amin said:
I suggest the following:

Use the surplus fund to start a new concepts here. A lottery in which one person each month gets a lens or camera and only people paying into this fund are eligible. use the surplus to start this fund.

That might get the site shut down, Raid.

R.J.
 
RJBender said:
That might get the site shut down, Raid.

R.J.

Yes, let's not confuse the issue with this. If a lottery is possible/legal, then it can be discussed in a new thread, completely independent of this one.

The surplus contributions will either go to Joe or to the RFF site, but that can be decided later once it is all in.
 
Does anyone know anything about the deluxe courrier method of shipping that GeneW mentioned which included paying for all charges upfront? Anyone? 🙂
 
VinceC said:
Out of curiosity, how much IS Canadian customs on a gift of this value? Shouldn't the generous member contibutions also go toward ensuring Joe has a legal, ethically procured camera? Or should he spend the rest of his life wondering if the tax authorities are going to catch up with him? Just a thought.

Excellent point, Vince. 🙂

R.J.
 
Hi RJ, Due largely to Vince's sentiment, we've decided to go classy and aboveboard. Gene provided me with a link to a UPS deluxe courrier service:

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oftheherd said:
That is true that all were collected for Joe. However, most would probably not mind any excess going to Jorge. I don't, but don't mind it all going to Joe, perhaps as mentioned, as a gift certificate from a forum sponsor. Personally, I don't mind either way.

One thing I hadn't considered is that we should also pay for any customs duties with any excess. I sure agree with that. The value of the gift is lessened if Joe has to pay that. If there hadn't been an excess, I guess he would have been stuck or we would have had to kick in more. Since we know there will be an excess, I think it proper to pay any shipping and handling, and any duties.

If all agree with paying S&H and duties with any excess, let's do that. If there is still money left over, we can figure how much and debate its disposition after Joe has his well deserved gift free and clear.

How think you all?


Give it all to Joe. Start another fundraiser for the site next week. Just my 2¢ worth.

R.J.
 
I didn't kill this thread did I?

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R.J.
 
FrankS said:
We can simply delay the decision on the surplus until later, once it is all in and collected (MO's sent by mail).

I'm trying to learn more about the courrier service where we can pay all charges upfront and the delivery time is a day or 2.

Let's get this camera/lens/hood to Joe asap.


I am with Frank on this.
 
FrankS said:
Hi RJ, Due largely to Vince's sentiment, we've decided to go classy and aboveboard. Gene provided me with a link to a UPS deluxe courrier service:

UPS Worldwide Express Plus

Get the early morning delivery advantage for your rush shipments

Guaranteed Delivery by 8:30 a.m. or 9:00 a.m.

Guaranteed delivery by 8:30 a.m. on the next business day to Canada.
Guaranteed delivery by 9:00 a.m. the second business day to European countries.
A surcharge applies



Service Availability
UPS Worldwide Express PlusSMservice is guaranteed to more than 215 cities in Canada and Europe.

For specific guarantee details and service availability, use our online applications to calculate delivery time and estimate cost.

Benefits

Verbal confirmation of delivery
Immediate notification for both shipper and receiver if there is any change in delivery schedule
Combined with our powerful online tracking features, UPS Worldwide Express Plus is the right choice for your critical shipments
All-inclusive rates including customs clearance
Three free delivery attempts for unclaimed shipments


Frank,

UPS is notorious for their "bloated" brokerage charges for good shipped from US to Canada. We've had some threads on that here.

Since time is of the essence I suggest you look into DHL or FedEx as possible alternatives.

George
 
FrankS said:
Would anyone object to leaving the decision to me as opposed to conducting a poll?

FrankS - I'm happy with any descision you make on the surplus after camera, lens, hood & whatever duties are due (which surely wouldn't be too much from a per contributor basis, so as a group lets not make an issue of it) .

You've already demonstrated the spirit of this community in coming up with the idea and I'm sure your view on any surplus will be just fine.

thanks
 
Thanks John.

George, I think with Joe's bad experience with UPS, another carrier would be best. (Even though Jan seems to want to mess with his head. 🙂 )
 
FrankS said:
Hi RJ, Due largely to Vince's sentiment, we've decided to go classy and aboveboard. Gene provided me with a link to a UPS deluxe courrier service:

Frank, This thing is happening because of you. You deserve many thanks and a good bit of the effort. I just tuned in to the thread late yesterday and posted my $20 by Paypal. What I see now is just too many cooks stirring the pot.

The ball is in your hands, go with it and know we trust your judgement. 🙂

Thanks again,
Paul C.
 
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