Rob-F
Likes Leicas
According to the link that was provided, the camera is offered by "German Leica Geosystems AG." But that is a company that split off from Leica Camera. AFAIK they have nothing to do with Leica Camera. Unless they bought some Leica bodies and redecorated (?) them themselves, I assume this is misinformation.
chippy
foo was here
The "censorship" on this site is definitely something else. Complain about CV or Zeiss, create your own handmade straps or talk sh!t and it's toast. I think some mods may have too much time on their hands...
what could the problem possibly be with someone making handmade straps!
the camera could be just the thing to take to Macquarie Island (Oz/Tasmanian reserve/park half way between botttom of Oz and Antarctica) to photograph all the penguins, elephant seal, ice bergs floating by and crashing into the island etc eh!. with 100Klm an hour 2deg salt water spray and wind the gold might not rust
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
During Mao Tsetung's lifetime, the government intentionally starved the peasantry (farmers) by stealing thier produce and selling it to the Soviet Union in exchange for weapons. The farmers were left with so little that millions starved to death. Some historians think as many as 100 million died in Mao's artificial famines.
ferider
Veteran
Put some gaffers tape on the engraving and you're good to go .... Safe, too, nobody will know it's a Leica.
And the gold Ms are not even expensive, you can have them in Mint condition for much less than an M9. See for instance 280275156876@ebay.
And the gold Ms are not even expensive, you can have them in Mint condition for much less than an M9. See for instance 280275156876@ebay.
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Finder
Veteran
I wonder how expensive it was to fashion that black plastic lens cap.
ItsReallyDarren
That's really me
Finally some competition for those gold Fed's and Zorki's. I was getting tired of only paying a few hundred for those.
braver
Well-known
Indeed! All that effort to make a hideous golden camera, and then you grab a plastic lens-cap out of a box and slap it on that limited edition lens? No eye for detail
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
umcelinho
Marcelo
an idea: buy one, switch the red leather for vulcanite, then paint black over the gold. fanciest "brassing" ever!
btw I didn't know about the gold giving tradition, so the gold plating can be explained.
leica could do a clay warrior version of the mp... clay covered. bad for rain, maybe. a ceramic one covered one would be fun.
(yes, marcelo, keep throwing silly ideas, when leica makes a special brazilian edition coconut covered you'll regret it)
btw I didn't know about the gold giving tradition, so the gold plating can be explained.
leica could do a clay warrior version of the mp... clay covered. bad for rain, maybe. a ceramic one covered one would be fun.
(yes, marcelo, keep throwing silly ideas, when leica makes a special brazilian edition coconut covered you'll regret it)
jamato8
Corroding tank M9 35 ASPH
I lived and worked in China, most of the time in remote villages. Yes, they took everything. Because they wanted to surpass Great Britain and then the US, the Central Government under Mao, demanded that everyone also give up anything iron so it could be melted down. That was a complete failure as the pig iron was worthless and could not be made into anything but it left families with no cooking utensils. I lived with a family that this happened to and it happened all over China.
Rayt
Nonplayer Character
That is what people like to say but not entirely accurate. It is estimated 20 to 40 million died during the Great Leap Forward campaign due to famine but Mao nor the central government collectively intended to exterminate the population in a way say like the Nazi's did. It was the result a combination of bad economic policies, bad yields, and natural disasters like floods/droughts. During the Great Leap Forward campaign the local cadres intentionally mislead their superiors with over exaggerated claims of yields either to look good or avoid getting purged. At the time China was plagued with bad policies like getting peasants to "donate" their scrap metal for iron works and of course the metal were useless in the end. Remember at that time there was a trade embargo and China's only patron was the Soviets and they took back whatever they gave. So even now whenever you see in the news how China won't vote for economic sanctions on Iran and the like you can see there are historical reasons.
US history books like to demonize their enemies but I live here just across the border in British legacy Hong Kong so I should know our own history. You can also look it up in Wiki.
jamato8
Corroding tank M9 35 ASPH
Donate???? No, they would often go village to village and collect them. There was demand. I was in the remote villages and lived with a family and had input from the village. They had no choice.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
A Tibetan commemorative Leica?
A Tibetan commemorative Leica?
Except, perhaps, for the 'minorities', i.e. those in the occupied countries that make up 60% of the land area claimed by the Chinese Empire. The International Commission of Jurists first accused China of genocide in Tibet in 1960, suggesting they had killed 1,000,000 Tibetans not merely through appalling economic planning but as part of a deliberate policy to create what was, in effect, lebensraum.
Matters have not improved since. Tibetans are now well on the way to becoming a minority in their own country, and every year, refugees still cross the Himalayas to escape the Chinese regime. There are well over 100,000 Tibetans in exile (out of a total population of maybe 6,000,000) and they ain't all aristocrats and reactionaries. I remember meeting one ex-monk who had served 6 years, and was tortured (you can still see the scars from where his shins were roasted in front of an open fire), for putting up pro-democracy posters. Another still has the scars from when the playground of his school was strafed by Chinese fighter planes.
Figures are inevitably unverifiable, in a secretive country that routinely lies to its own citizens, beginning at school, ("Tibetan is only a dialect of Chinese") and, as you pointed out, that uses euphemisms like "donate" for "confiscation". Also, again as you correctly point out, one can distinguish between deliberate extermination, and mass murder through indifference and incompetence, though the distinction is of less use if you are on the receiving end, starving to death or getting a bullet in the back of the head for 'subversive activities'.
Even so, I have seen it suggested is that Hitler killed 16,000,000 people, Stalin twice as many (32,000,000) and Mao twice as many again (64,000,000). These figures are probably as good as any other. Only the Maoist regime is still in power.
If I had the money, I'd commission a set of special Leicas to commemorate a significant Tibetan anniversary: the birthday of HH Dalai Lama, perhaps, or the anniversary of the conquest of the Chinese Empite by the Tibetan Empire in the 8th century. Or better still, to commemorate the dissolution of the Tibetan empire, when they 'laid their weapons at the foot of the Lotus Throne' (the throne of the Buddha) and withdrew from their empire, because war and empire-building, and occupying other peoples' countries, is wrong. Perhaps I can find fifty or a hundred subscribers for a simple black camera with the Tibetan characters for 'Bod' (Tibet in Tibetan) and the appropriate Tibetan Royal Year.
It might also be unique among commemoratives by costing no more than a standard camera, with part of the price going towards the extra cost of the engraving and the remainder going to the Tibetan cause...
Tashi delek,
R.
A Tibetan commemorative Leica?
Except, perhaps, for the 'minorities', i.e. those in the occupied countries that make up 60% of the land area claimed by the Chinese Empire. The International Commission of Jurists first accused China of genocide in Tibet in 1960, suggesting they had killed 1,000,000 Tibetans not merely through appalling economic planning but as part of a deliberate policy to create what was, in effect, lebensraum.
Matters have not improved since. Tibetans are now well on the way to becoming a minority in their own country, and every year, refugees still cross the Himalayas to escape the Chinese regime. There are well over 100,000 Tibetans in exile (out of a total population of maybe 6,000,000) and they ain't all aristocrats and reactionaries. I remember meeting one ex-monk who had served 6 years, and was tortured (you can still see the scars from where his shins were roasted in front of an open fire), for putting up pro-democracy posters. Another still has the scars from when the playground of his school was strafed by Chinese fighter planes.
Figures are inevitably unverifiable, in a secretive country that routinely lies to its own citizens, beginning at school, ("Tibetan is only a dialect of Chinese") and, as you pointed out, that uses euphemisms like "donate" for "confiscation". Also, again as you correctly point out, one can distinguish between deliberate extermination, and mass murder through indifference and incompetence, though the distinction is of less use if you are on the receiving end, starving to death or getting a bullet in the back of the head for 'subversive activities'.
Even so, I have seen it suggested is that Hitler killed 16,000,000 people, Stalin twice as many (32,000,000) and Mao twice as many again (64,000,000). These figures are probably as good as any other. Only the Maoist regime is still in power.
If I had the money, I'd commission a set of special Leicas to commemorate a significant Tibetan anniversary: the birthday of HH Dalai Lama, perhaps, or the anniversary of the conquest of the Chinese Empite by the Tibetan Empire in the 8th century. Or better still, to commemorate the dissolution of the Tibetan empire, when they 'laid their weapons at the foot of the Lotus Throne' (the throne of the Buddha) and withdrew from their empire, because war and empire-building, and occupying other peoples' countries, is wrong. Perhaps I can find fifty or a hundred subscribers for a simple black camera with the Tibetan characters for 'Bod' (Tibet in Tibetan) and the appropriate Tibetan Royal Year.
It might also be unique among commemoratives by costing no more than a standard camera, with part of the price going towards the extra cost of the engraving and the remainder going to the Tibetan cause...
Tashi delek,
R.
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Olsen
Well-known
I am writing this from the foyer of Hilton Hotel Strand, Helsinki on a poor wireless line. Hope it reaches RFF.
This gold MP is a good example of the fawning companies (and governments) are towards China. So afraid of loosing any business with the commercial giant that China has become, nobody even tries to criticise them. Let alone protest. Simply bad taste on Leica's hand. What is there to celebrate?
This gold MP is a good example of the fawning companies (and governments) are towards China. So afraid of loosing any business with the commercial giant that China has become, nobody even tries to criticise them. Let alone protest. Simply bad taste on Leica's hand. What is there to celebrate?
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