Good video on trolls

[kbg32]

http://petapixel.com/2016/06/01/deal-internet-criticism-photographer/

 

[airfrogusmc]

http://petapixel.com/2016/06/01/deal-internet-criticism-photographer/

That is really good. Thanks for posting that Keith.

 

[Bill Clark]

My recommendation is for folks to join Toastmasters. The foundation of the Toastmasters program is to evaluate. Each speaker evaluation begins with pat-pat-pat, then tap-tap, ending with a pat-pat.

Like public speaking, photography bares the heart and soul of the maker, how they see the world. Be gentle and please use the Toastmasters method and evaluate and not criticize. The job of the evaluator is to build a fire in the creative belly of the maker with the desire and passion to do better the next time. You can do this by giving positive recommendations on how you see the maker could do better the next time rather than being negative, pointing out faults and mistakes boasting your ego but hurting the maker.

 

[airfrogusmc]

Face to face crits where everyone has skin in the game and most people are on the same level visually (class situations) are far different from crits on forums.

 

[Bill Clark]

Photomoof,

Have you tried Toastmasters?

At our TCPPA the judges use the Toastmasters method as the purpose of our annual judging workshop is to help the makers who submitted as they are working to earn a living as professional photographers.

 

[Bill Clark]

I agree with you on the positive way an evaluation should take place.

Toastmasters is designed for people like you and me and everyone who has the desire to improve their communications and leadership skills. After 6 to 12 months in a club that works on the basics there are speciality clubs to further develop the those two areas. I have been in a club whose purpose is to focus on humor, another on storytlling, another on evaluations, another on leadership of people.

At any rate, Toastmasters helped me achieve success with my photography business as I believe people skills are very important.

OK I'll get off my soapbox about Toastmasters but please try it as you may like it!

 

[tunalegs]

I don't know that I agree with much of what he's said. I think trolls aren't bitter creatives lashing out at success, they're just losers who'll attack anybody when they know there's no real risk of getting caught, or facing any sort of consequences. These are people who like to think they're tough, but you'd never find them in a real fight - because they'd lose and be crushed. They also don't just attack good work. They'll go after bad work too. Just look at all the trolling (some bordering on stalking and assault even) that's happened to cartoonist Tom Preston. I think he's a horribly untalented hack, but that's all I have to say about him. On the other hand, trolls have written volumes about how bad his work is, ironically giving him more attention than he'd otherwise get.

Besides, somebody can be immensely talented - but also be a jerk and completely inept at offering meaningful criticism. I've seen this a lot.

 

[telenous]

Exellent video, thanks. There are all sorts. Difficult to net all trolls with a single description but I get what he's saying. I remember reading this Sarah Silverman story from an article of Entertainment Weekly (narrated later by K. Hale for the Guardian)

“A guy once just yelled, ‘Me!’ in the middle of my set. It was amazing. This guy’s heckle directly equalled its heartbreaking subtext – ‘Me!’” Silverman, an avid fan of Howard Stern, went on to describe a poignant moment she remembers from listening to his radio show: one of the many callers who turns out to be an axxxxxx [= obnoxious little brat] is about to be hung up on when, just before the line goes dead, he blurts out, in a crazed, stuttering voice, “I exist!”

In that single phrase the caller managed to encapsulate what and whom his rant was really about. This, I think, is the heart of the matter with trolls.

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