Got back some first films; surprising results

[Jeremy Z]

Well, today I just picked up some processed film. They were test rolls from each of three cameras.

1) Yaschica Electro 35 GS (I've had this one for years)
2) Olympus XA (got it a few weeks ago)
3) Canonet GIII QL17

The film was all processed at the same place, by the same incompetent person. (scratched prints from dirty machine, dust on negs, etc)

Before going on, I should mention that I'm making the judgement from the scans that came on the photo CD. I'll make real enlargements later, when I get the darkroom set up.

But guess which one consistently gave the sharpest results? The Olympus XA. The Yashica's were sharp, but lacked contrast.

The Canon's were also close.

I don't know if the Yashica (an early one) has a multicoated lens, so the comparative lack of sharpness could be from more flare or less contrast.

At these smaller apertures, I would have thought the Canon & Yashica would have certainly pulled ahead.

But the XA had a couple aces up its sleeve:

1) hair trigger shutter reduces camera shake compared to the others
2) Multicoated Zuiko lens is fantastic

Please note that these are just initial observations, and I will have to wait until I see some bigger, proper B&W prints to know for sure.

Anyone else been surprised like this by the little XA? "Beating" much larger cameras, with excellent lenses, even though it should not be able to?

 

[drewbarb]

No suprise there- the XA rocks. If I leave the house without a Leica, I'll have an XA in a pocket. Glad you are enjoying yours. It's worth getting an A11 or A16 flash for it, too. I almost always re-set the aperture down to f4 or f5.6 after switching the flash on- this gives you a dragged-shutter exposure for the background, and softens the flash in the foreground. XA rocks.

 

[amateriat]

Even with all his other design achievements with Olympus (and there are plenty, enough to make him the photography industry's equivalent of an elder rock star, albeit a sober one), the XA, to me, is an example of Mr. Maitani truly hitting his stride. An amazing combination of economy and clever engineering, the XA is deceptively "simple" from outward appearances, but thre's a ton of high engineering in that litttle package, from the front element backward. One of the two best non-AF pocketable 35s around.


- Barrett

 

[kellymjones]

I've had mixed results with my Electro 35 collection. Both the G and GS are sharp, but the colors look a little old or dated. I can't explain it really. Maybe it's lens coatings. However, my GSN takes sharp color photos that seem brighter and more saturated. I hope to purchase an XA in the near future and see how it compares.

 

[ferider]

The XA is great. More than 60 lpmm with that tiny lens.

Only things that bother me sometimes is lack of manual control and square aperture.

Roland.

 

[Trius]

The only thing "wrong" with the XA is that it's impossible to use "XA" as a mantra, as in "OMmmmmmmmmmmm". 😀 😀 😀

Today, driving in to work, it was snowing ... heavily, but it was very small, fine flakes, and the wind was blowing. In the southeastern sky the sun was a small, pale disk visible behind a solid cloud of luminescent white. The traffic was at a crawl ... I whipped out the XA, set it to hyperfocal distance, set the aperture to f11, set the backlight compensation lever, powered the window down on the CR-V, and shot "blind" at the sun and a light standard. Have no idea what it will really look like, but it was exhilarating to make the shot, and at no time did I feel unsafe. The controls are easy to use ... shockingly so for such a tiny machine.

I bow to Maitani ... again.

 

[amateriat]

The only thing "wrong" with the XA is that it's impossible to use "XA" as a mantra, as in "OMmmmmmmmmmmm". 😀 😀 😀

Today, driving in to work, it was snowing ... heavily, but it was very small, fine flakes, and the wind was blowing. In the southeastern sky the sun was a small, pale disk visible behind a solid cloud of luminescent white. The traffic was at a crawl ... I whipped out the XA, set it to hyperfocal distance, set the aperture to f11, set the backlight compensation lever, powered the window down on the CR-V, and shot "blind" at the sun and a light standard. Have no idea what it will really look like, but it was exhilarating to make the shot, and at no time did I feel unsafe. The controls are easy to use ... shockingly so for such a tiny machine.

I bow to Maitani ... again.

Of course you know, Trius, that you are now hereby obligated to present the results of this "inspired grab-shot" to the rest of us, be the results good or just so-so. Your written description is just too scrumptious to ignore here.


- Barrett

 

[Trius]

Barrett: It will be done. Warning: Film was Superia 800... a great film, but a bit grainy for dreamy, diaphanous, swirly snow. I prolly have about 8-10 shots left on the roll, so I guess I'll have to hurry up and finish off the roll.

Earl

 

[Rey]

I can'tcomment on the XA, but I do have an Electro 35, a Q17 GIII, and also a Yashica Lynx 5000. After shooting alot of rolls through these my impressions are: 1) Canon QL17: magnificent build quality, fantastic feel (how the camera becomes a part of you when shooting) and a great lens. I love to hold and shoot with this camera, 2) Electro 35: build quality and feel are ok, not fantastic, but it does have a great lens, possibly better than the canon, 3) Lynx 5000: better feel, better build, better lens than the electro, this camera takes fantastic photos, but the build quality and feel are a little below the Canon. If I had to choose just a lens, it would be the Lynx!

 

[Jeremy Z]

I've noticed on my Electro that the lens is sharp, but not as contrasty as some of the newer ones. Mine is an early one and may not be multicoated. (does the "color" designation on the lens have any correlation to its coating?)

One thing I like about the Yashica Electro is the shutter release is smooth and non-stacking. We talk about stacking triggers in the gun world, where the pressure required to move it gets heavier and heavier the closer you get to the breaking point. The Yashica and XA are the kings in this area, with the Canon & Rollei being a distant 4th and 3rd. The Rollei's shutter release doesn't stack, it's just kind of a heavy, short stroke compared to the Yashica, and especially the Olympus.

I think the shutter release is the icing on this little camera. It was a great theory, and I really wonder why it was never used on other manual focusing cameras.

 

[Trius]

Of course you know, Trius, that you are now hereby obligated to present the results of this "inspired grab-shot" to the rest of us, be the results good or just so-so. Your written description is just too scrumptious to ignore here.


- Barrett

Done. http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=539940#post539940

 

[raid]

The XA is great. More than 60 lpmm with that tiny lens.

Only things that bother me sometimes is lack of manual control and square aperture.

Roland.

Roland,

If 60 lpmm is good, then what about the claimed 120 lppm for the Cintar of the Argus C4?

Raid

 

[shadowfox]

Roland,

If 60 lpmm is good, then what about the claimed 120 lppm for the Cintar of the Argus C4?

Raid

... but can we pocket the Argus C4 in jeans? I'd love to see someone try it 🙂

 

[amateriat]

... but can we pocket the Argus C4 in jeans? I'd love to see someone try it 🙂

No, no, no...even if one could, the awful one-liners would never stop ("Is that an Argus in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?" is the only one I can think of that's printable here).


- Barrett

 

[ray_g]

I think the shutter release is the icing on this little camera. It was a great theory, and I really wonder why it was never used on other manual focusing cameras.

Because the "your camera is useless when you run out of batteries" crowd would not like it. 😉

I like this feature of the XA, as well. You are right, no other manually focusing RF has it, I think. The electromagnetic shutter release has, however, been a feature in Contax and Yashica SLR's since the RTS.

 

[Kin Lau]

... but can we pocket the Argus C4 in jeans? I'd love to see someone try it 🙂

With some of the baggy jeans I see around here, you could probably put a 4x5 Speed Graphics in those pockets.

 

[Trius]

Back in the days (stop me if you've heard this before) ... I was selling Compaq portable computers, the ones the shape and size of a large lunch pail, to Arrow Shirt in Kitchener. I tried to get them to upgrade by adding 3-1/4" floppy drives; after all, then the disks could fit in one's shirt pocket ...

The DP manager said, with a slight grin, "We're Arrow. We can make any size shirt pockets we want."

No luck on the extra margin on the sale.

 

[bensyverson]

The XA's shutter release is a gift from the gods... I wish all my cameras had it!

I posted some full-sized (4000dpi) XA scans here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bensyverson/sets/72157600136238427/

Scanning those shots made me fall in love with the XA all over again...

 

[ray_g]

... I whipped out the XA, set it to hyperfocal distance, set the aperture to f11, set the backlight compensation lever

Very nice shot, Earl. One of the things I find ingenious about the XA is how focus distance scale is marked by aperture and what I have always presumed to be hyperfocal distance settings by f/stop.

 

[raid]

I use the XA or the Minox GT for cases where a camera is better hidden than shown, but I enjoy the clunkers too. Quite often I use the XA for B&W and the GT for color; one in each pocket. Both are very small and light cameras with sharp lenses. I have also used for many years slide film with the GT. The exposure system was good enough for slow speed film like Velvia.

Raid