Guardian: Detroit in Ruins

*hipsterdufus* - I like your attitude.

Thanks. I just find it frustrating how bad of a rep Michigan has gotten over the past few years (saying nothing of how much worse Detroit's reputation is). I love this state. We're surrounded by freshwater lakes, we make some of the best beer in the world, have some great artists, beautiful landscapes, and the list goes on... To every extent possible, I want to be an ambassador for our state as much as possible. I hope folks will give it a chance (and bring their money with them. :angel🙂
 
10 reasons to visit Detroit:

1. great people
2. heidelberg project
3. eastern market
4. riverwalk
5. detroit film theatre
6. corktown
7. clark park
8. mexican village
9. belle isle
10. jazz fest

One of the hidden gems of Detroit is Mexicantown. A night-time drive down Vernor Ave (which goes through Mexicantown) in the summer reminds me of something in NYC, meaning bustling with people and activity. And I definitely agree about Clark Park. A friend of mine had a house on Scotten Ave., directly across from the ice rink. It was very cool listening to the hockey games being played in the winter (the sounds of pucks bouncing off the boards).

As mentioned, the American TV show, Detroit 1-8-7, gives a pretty realistic look at Detroit today. They show both the bad and the good. A good article in today's Detroit News about the TV show and it's locations:

http://www.detnews.com/article/2011...57/ENT10/‘No-bad-angles--for-1-8-7-in-Detroit

Jim B.
 
We call that recycling.

LOL!!! That's the truth.

on the topic of safety: I started playing music and hanging out in Detroit in 1980 in punk rock dives in the Cass corridor. I have lived in some of what would be considered the "worst" areas in Detroit on and off since about 1986. When I total the time I lived in the city proper since then it would be roughly 10 years. I only had a problem once. I now live in a college town about 40 minutes away, and I get hassled on a regular basis. Go figure. Drunk students are far more dangerous in my experience.

EDIT: what amazes me is the belief by some that this happened to Detroit almost over night. Cass corridor is far far far better now than it was in the early 80's. Train station, MI theater, and all the urban spelunking / photo destination hot spots have been abandoned for decades. The only newish thing I see in the OP's link is the Hyland Park police station stuff, but Hyland Park has been rough for, what,... 30 years?
 
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You must live a sheltered life, Bob. We call that recycling.

Sheltered life? I grew up poor in Chicago, where all of your neighbors are moving to get away from where you live.
If you want to give me attitude for being proud of working my way out of the slums of Chicago, that's fine, my friends have been giving me sh*t about it for years. But I'll bet anyone would have done the same thing if they had the opportunity.

Oh yeah, tearing siding off of a house is not recycling, it's stealing.

bob
 
I was going to mention Andrew Moore, but someone beat me to it, above. I have a group of friends through APUG, and one of them worked with Andrew Moore on his "Detroit Disassembled" project. The project was on display at the Akron Art Museum last year. The photos were huge, and the detail was amazing. Moore used 4x5 color negative film for the project.

Last month, we met in Detroit for a weekend to try to find similar (and many times the same) photography subjects.

Yup - not only did I beat you to it, but I also went to the exhibit in Akron 😀(it was still up in October). Unbelievable work ethic, that guy. The technical quality of the photographing and printing is amazing.

I live in Hartford Connecticut, and go to school near Cleveland Ohio. All three of these cities had their peaks in the first half of the 20th century, and have been tumbling downwards since. Detroit with cars, Hartford with insurance, Cleveland with a variety of things (such as steel). All three now have thriving arts scenes - Hartford has a wonderful music school, for instance. On the Morgan Quinto most dangerous cities list, Detroit was #4, Cleveland was #7, and Hartford was #24. But so what...Cleveland has the Rock n Roll hall of fame, and one of the best hospitals in the country. As someone posted above, there are a lot of great things happening in Detroit as well. So, it's not all bad. In fact, there's a lot of good stuff.

I've also been documenting a lot of abandoned buildings in Cleveland recently - just empty factory warehouses and the like. It's been really fascinating, but it doesn't represent Cleveland as a whole.
 
LOL!!! That's the truth.

on the topic of safety: I started playing music and hanging out in Detroit in 1980 in punk rock dives in the Cass corridor. I have lived in some of what would be considered the "worst" areas in Detroit on and off since about 1986. When I total the time I lived in the city proper since then it would be roughly 10 years. I only had a problem once. I now live in a college town about 40 minutes away, and I get hassled on a regular basis. Go figure. Drunk students are far more dangerous in my experience.

my crappy punk rock band used to play at paychecks and bookie's too. nothing sheltered about my life...

bob
 
my crappy punk rock band used to play at paychecks and bookie's too. nothing sheltered about my life...

bob

I won't speak for him, but I think he was kidding about that. And you are right, it is stealing. The current trend is to go after the plumbing for the copper...

sorry to hear your band was crappy! 😀
 
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Fascinating. I had to read up on the late history of Detroit. Such a contrast to Scandinavia/Norway where pretty much all cities grow and thrive. The closest thing we've got to "urban decay" is some colorful graffiti 😉 That's what comes from living in where everything have been going UP for the last 40 years, regardless of financial crises, you never realize what can happen when the wheel of fortune turns...

Mac

Detroit is hardly unique. Many major American cities are at least partially hollow. Rather than do anything about it, our chattering classes construct elaborate rationalizations to explain away the shameful state of affairs, and they usually contain a good bit of "blame the victim" hectoring. 🙁
 
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Beautiful imagery. I used to go downtown often. I received my MFA from Cranbrook Academy of Art, back in the early '80s. Have you been to Del Ray?? Just south of Detroit along the river.

Weren't Minoru Yamasaki's offices in Troy? He designed the World Trade Towers.
 
Beautiful imagery. I used to go downtown often. I received my MFA from Cranbrook Academy of Art, back in the early '80s. Have you been to Del Ray?? Just south of Detroit along the river.

Weren't Minoru Yamasaki's offices in Troy? He designed the World Trade Towers.

There is a bar in Del Ray with the best neon sign of all time : "FRESH BOOZE"
 
Sheltered life? I grew up poor in Chicago, where all of your neighbors are moving to get away from where you live.
If you want to give me attitude for being proud of working my way out of the slums of Chicago, that's fine, my friends have been giving me sh*t about it for years. But I'll bet anyone would have done the same thing if they had the opportunity.

Oh yeah, tearing siding off of a house is not recycling, it's stealing.

bob

OT: I wasn't giving attitude, Bob. It was a joke, apologies for trying to keep things light. I'll let your insult about my "neighbors" slide, though. Or was that a joke on your part?

Glad you were able to "bootstrap" up and out. Take all the credit you've earned. Some bootstrappers - I'm one myself, mostly closeted though - don't subscribe fully to the storyline that it's nothing but one's individual effort that makes it happen. Could just be a bit of luck, genetics, a strong relative, a helping hand or two along the way ... as humbling as it might seem to our own personal mythologies. Since you're a Chicagoan, maybe have a read through UC's Stephen Levitt's chapter in Freakonomics on what really matters in determining success.

Yes, taking someone else's siding is stealing. Or maybe the first step in reclaiming the tens of thousands of houses abandoned in Detroit by owners and landlords, who knows? Traditional ideas concerning property rights may need to be reconsidered when a city faces years of accumulated de-population and now unneeded, aging roads, water and sewage systems, lights, etc.

Or we can just, you know, all live someplace else and not think about it. Photography makes it harder to do that, thank god.
 
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There is a bar in Del Ray with the best neon sign of all time : "FRESH BOOZE"

Gotta love it - I think that place is on Fort St, not sure. I don't get to Delray much even though it's not far from Clark Park and the west end of Mexicantown. Two of my fav restaurants are kinda nearby: Giovanni's across the Rouge River on Oakwood/Fort (even after a couple of fires Fran kicks out the best Italian around) and the new-ish El Barzon at Michigan Ave and Junction (Mex and Italian on the same menu).
 
Detroit is hardly unique. Many major American cities are at least partially hollow. Rather than do anything about it, our chattering classes construct elaborate rationalizations to explain away the shameful state of affairs, and they usually contain a good bit of "blame the victim" hectoring. 🙁

I've heard of this phenomenon in Eastern Europe, and seen it in parts of England, but not to the extent of Detroit. I knew things where bad in many previously thriving industrial cities in the US, but not that they where actually depopulated. I guess my surprise come from the fact that I know the general population increase in the US have (always) been massive. It's easy to draw the conclusion that people would be fighting for room to live. Yet obviously people pile up where it's possible to make a living.

Anyway, as I said this is fascinating to me. Just the thought of how it changes the dynamics and mood of a city...

Of course there are old, abandoned industrial sites here too, but they tend to either be preserved due to age and historical significance or torn down to make room. We don't have that much room to expand either, especially not in Norway, mostly just mountains here, hard to find something resembling somewhat flat ground suitable to put up houses. Here, as in the US, only rich people live up in the hills 😉

I could make suggestions or comments to why things have turned this way in for instance the US, I shall however refrain from making them. No need to politicize this thread with my left-winger garbage 😀

Mac
 
Gotta love it - I think that place is on Fort St, not sure.

Yes, it is on fort. I'm having a brain-f and I can't remember the name... I have a pic of it around somewhere, I'll post it if I find it.

Two of my fav restaurants are kinda nearby: Giovanni's across the Rouge River on Oakwood/Fort (even after a couple of fires Fran kicks out the best Italian around) and the new-ish El Barzon at Michigan Ave and Junction (Mex and Italian on the same menu).

I'm not familiar with either, but I will check them out on your suggestion! another reason to visit detroit for the list: GREAT FOOD! or was that already on there?

I'm wondering, is there a RFF Detroit club? I think it would be good to meet as a group sometime and do some photo work around the city. I'll bet there are quite a few people in SE MI on here... What do you say?
 
What I find curious about this reportage is the fact that a pair of outside photographers are given coverage when there are at least five excellent photographers right in Detroit documenting the city from all angles.

That's what makes me scratch my head. Why publish work by Marchand and Meffre when equally good work is available in Detroit. Some of these Detroit photographers show all sides as well as "insider" views of Detroit. They are much more interesting.

A similar situation recently developed in Toronto. A major landmark the Hearn Power Generation Plant is under discussion for demolition and the local papers decided to go Dan Dubowitz a photographer from the UK for a report!

There are a substantial number of Toronto based photographers who are familiar with the Hearn Power Plant situation but the local media decided to go "offshore" for their opinion and not to knowledgeable people in Toronto.

It's a pervasive problem with media and editors of media. Curiously the media wonders why they have diminishing credibility. I'm not surprised.
 
Why publish work by Marchand and Meffre when equally good work is available in Detroit. Some of these Detroit photographers show all sides as well as "insider" views of Detroit. They are much more interesting.

Amen to that.

Scott Hocking has been doing some interesting things lately with site specific sculpture and photographing urban landscapes over the course of multiple seasons : http://scotthocking.com/
 
I'm wondering, is there a RFF Detroit club? I think it would be good to meet as a group sometime and do some photo work around the city. I'll bet there are quite a few people in SE MI on here... What do you say?

That's a real idea. You know I'll show up, Matt. Would really enjoy it. I've been out with a member or two, that's all over the last couple years.
 
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