GXR Will Be Dropped, or New Body

they need to improve support options

they need to improve support options

Try and find a ricoh len cap. Try and see where you can get sensor dust removed. You will find that no one really has anything convenient.
In the USA it's 3rd party everything.

I would love to get the M mount but I am afraid of what happens when I need support, especially since it is open to dust.

Don'e get me wrong, the Ricoh is a great camera to use, once you get used to it, but if you need support you are left with a nothing but expensive headaches.

I have a renewed appreciation for the Nikon dslr I had sitting around.

The novelty wears off quickly when you need support and their recommended support folks dont seem to have heard of the camera after it's been out two years. Maybe this is indicative of the success of the sealed model they claim, but I doubt that. It looks more like once they get your money, goodbye.

Just be careful with all of the polished marketing mush designed to make you want something you may not need.
 
dovi said:
...Just be careful with all of the polished marketing mush designed to make you want something you may not need.
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If you don't need a camera with better color accuracy than the Leica M8/M9, and, in my view, with files that require less processing than the digital Leicas, you certainly should not take a chance. As to removing dust from a sensor, you can do that yourself rather than sending the camera in for service which with a Leica would take a long time. Service in Europe and Asia is no problem.

—Mitch/Chiang Mai
Ricoh GXR M-Module
 
malland said:
If you don't need a camera with better color accuracy than the Leica M8/M9, and, in my view, with files that require less processing than the digital Leicas, you certainly should not take a chance.
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I think you may be overstating things here.
 
rxmd said:
Care to elaborate why?
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because the low resolution magnified view is most likely because of the old 12MP sensor they use. It only offers rather low-res video as a consequence (not that I'd use that). The bandwidth of the module interface seems to be very high, at least it is "sufficient for a very long time to come", a Ricoh rep. said in a dpreview interview i've read when the GXR was announced.

maybe the gain for brightness with stopped down lenses can be improved, maybe not. but the low res mag-view is here to stay I fear.
 
I have had the following cameras serviced over the years by official service centers: Nikon D700, Olympus E-5 and the 12-60 lens (different occasions), and the Ricoh GXR. Though done by three entirely different service centers, the experience was the same, which was fine. None of them were cheap. It's not a common camera, so you won't find it in stores, but the days of corner camera service, except for those who live in large cities, seems to be largely gone. In terms of sensor cleaning, that seems to be roughly the same for almost any camera so I can't see that being a real problem.

Long-term support remains an issue, but that's a universal issue for any digital camera. Will Leica really service the M8 as long as they serviced the M3? I would highly doubt it. In 40 years time cameras will just be holograms projected by our cell phones to simulate the camera experience! ;)

doug
 
rxmd said:
Well, the GXR does 1280x720 video at 24 fps, so it should have no problem driving a three megadot EVF in realtime. That's the bare minimum (and only if you assume that video already maxes out the bandwith).
So it would be interesting where you are pulling your information from.
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Perhaps someone could find the information. I can't.. The topic involved the data rate and the possibility of a GXR 'full frame' sensor.

Your point regarding video is a good one. I've not seen refresh rates associated with the NEX-7 EVF and I don't know what it takes to make a EVF approach the view through an optical viewfinder, but I suspect that one needs a higher refresh rate and a pixel density greater than noted above. Additionally, the sensor needs to produce the required refresh rate and not overheat. I think that the older generation of Sony sensors will not do refresh rates above 30 fps.

The only EVF that I've used is with the X100 and based on comments in this thread, I must assume that the GXR EVF is much better, because the X100's EVF is low resolution and doesn't handle motion gracefully. I've not used a GXR and only have comments such as Steve Huff's remark that the GXR EVF experience is poor with respect to the NEX-7.

Certainly, Ricoh didn't expect to produce one body with specifications set three years ago and expect it to compete with other cameras in 2013. They must have some internal road map for body development.
 
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Please tell me where you had your gxr serviced.

Please tell me where you had your gxr serviced.

Please tell me where you had it serviced.
I need a good place. The one Ricoh mentions on their site does not know the camera and cannot provide an estimate for a cleaning.
I like the camera and I am open to changing my opinion.



dreilly said:
I have had the following cameras serviced over the years by official service centers: Nikon D700, Olympus E-5 and the 12-60 lens (different occasions), and the Ricoh GXR. Though done by three entirely different service centers, the experience was the same, which was fine. None of them were cheap. It's not a common camera, so you won't find it in stores, but the days of corner camera service, except for those who live in large cities, seems to be largely gone. In terms of sensor cleaning, that seems to be roughly the same for almost any camera so I can't see that being a real problem.

Long-term support remains an issue, but that's a universal issue for any digital camera. Will Leica really service the M8 as long as they serviced the M3? I would highly doubt it. In 40 years time cameras will just be holograms projected by our cell phones to simulate the camera experience! ;)

doug
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I find service in the USA to be a problem.
As a USA resident, that means that any problem that requires servicing is a problem. In case you dont see the connection, this means that if you have a problem, even with dust you cant clean and want it done Professionally, You are going to have to deal with vague nonsense about a system that is marketed to be trouble free in that regard (that is ironic).

Color accuracy with today's crop of cameras has not really been much of an issue for me and the M8/9 are not among my interests.

Once again Buyers be aware of what you are getting into. Is it too difficult for ricoh to reinforce support options in the USA? That was the issue I was referring to.

Once again, In the USA, Ricoh needs to increase their support options.










malland said:
If you don't need a camera with better color accuracy than the Leica M8/M9, and, in my view, with files that require less processing than the digital Leicas, you certainly should not take a chance. As to removing dust from a sensor, you can do that yourself rather than sending the camera in for service which with a Leica would take a long time. Service in Europe and Asia is no problem.

—Mitch/Chiang Mai
Ricoh GXR M-Module
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Ricoh's official service center is CRISCAM. It's hard to call them and talk to someone about your specific problem (which is pretty much the case with almost any official service center), but when I have followed the routine and sent things in, they have been as fine as the rest. In one case it was for a film GR and the repair was expensive (decemented viewfinder) and in the case it was a warranty repair and it went smoothly.

I've never had a sensor cleaned by another repair shop but I'm sure others can do it if it's just the A12-M module.
 
Ricoh needs to do something

Ricoh needs to do something

Their website did not list the GXR among their serviced cameras (Still not there). They did not respond to any emails I have sent asking for information re repair and when I called, the Clerk on the phone checked their database and told me that they are not familiar with the camera and that I could Just Mail it to them and see what happens after they take a look.

I was sorry to hear that and since Ricoh recommends them I think Ricoh really should be responsible about increasing support options in the USA.

I will not buy their products until the support options are increased. Buyers beware.





dreilly said:
Ricoh's official service center is CRISCAM. It's hard to call them and talk to someone about your specific problem (which is pretty much the case with almost any official service center), but when I have followed the routine and sent things in, they have been as fine as the rest. In one case it was for a film GR and the repair was expensive (decemented viewfinder) and in the case it was a warranty repair and it went smoothly.

I've never had a sensor cleaned by another repair shop but I'm sure others can do it if it's just the A12-M module.
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Dovi,
I really think you are overreacting. CRISCAM is the official camera service center for Ricoh in the US. I had a warranty repair on a GXR lensor (bit of dirt in the focus mechanism) and the warranty repair went very smoothly. I have never spoken to ANY person at a factory service center on the phone who had any clue whatsoever...anyone who does gets paid to much to answer phones. All I can tell you is that they service the GXR, I know from experience.
 
The Meaness said:
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2011/...leica-lenses-a-quick-test-and-gxr-comparison/

Based on the results posted by Huff, if I were in the market for one of the interchangeable mirrorless cameras, the GXR w/M module would be at the top of my list. But I use wides quite a bit.
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Yes, it looks like the 5N with EVF would be a better comparison with regards to performance. 5N.. better EVF. GXR.. better ergonomics. Better image.. don't know, but no AA has to be an advantage.
 
I had the GXR and now have the 5N here.
ergonomics wise the GXR wins this easily. Also, it feels better in the hand and better made too.

I don't have the EVF yet, but the GXR one was ok at best.
 
Ill give them a shot, but my contact with them was as I described. If they say they dont know the camera who am I to say different?

I reacted to what I was told.

Thanks. Ill just ship it in and see what happens...

dreilly said:
Dovi,
I really think you are overreacting. CRISCAM is the official camera service center for Ricoh in the US. I had a warranty repair on a GXR lensor (bit of dirt in the focus mechanism) and the warranty repair went very smoothly. I have never spoken to ANY person at a factory service center on the phone who had any clue whatsoever...anyone who does gets paid to much to answer phones. All I can tell you is that they service the GXR, I know from experience.
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