Half frame digital: the Fujifilm X-HF1?

JohnGellings said:
I cannot even fathom how someone can make fun of the Fuji but like these Yashicas. I guess it comes down to thriftiness.
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Well at least Yashica got the film winder correctly with the Y35 (it has mechanical and audio feedback) and actually sells the film stocks that the new camera tries to simulate 😉 .
 
olakiril said:
The plot thickens:



Film winder and no viewfinder...

For a final price of 550, the X half price doesn't look bad 🙂

Oh Epson R-D2 Where Art Thou?
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Somewhere, P.T. Barnum is having a good laugh. Makes the $30 Chuzhao TLR-style toy camera seem like a bargain.
 
I had an Epson R-D1 for a bit. Thoroughly unimpressed with it, I sent it back to the seller.
It's nothing like the Fuji X HF-1 at all, as far as I can see.

I consider an X HF-1 because I don't really have a compact digital camera, other than my iPhone. The most compact digital I have is a Leica M10. I'd like to see a side by side of the X HF-1 next to a Rollei 35S. 😀

G
 
Coldkennels said:
It's not caused by the appliance maker. It's now standard.

I believe the EU led the way on this - no more wall warts to be included in the packaging to cut down on e-waste. Everything also has to use USB-C where possible: EU Common Charger Mandate Starts December 2024: What to Know - blog - IoT Consulting Partners

I don't know about you, but I've got a giant box full of unused, unneeded, and frankly poor quality USB cables of all types. I only really use the same four high quality ones - and even then, I only use four because of all the different standards (Lightning, USB-C, USB-Mini, USB-Micro) - so this is very much a Good Thing.
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That makes NO sense! If you have to buy a separate wall-wart, then the thing has to come in its own packaging, thus negating the "benefit" of not having a wall-wart included with the item it's meant to charge. If you have lots of wall-warts and chargers are you keeping the electrical goods that those things are meant to charge, if so why do you have so many? Can each and every wall-wart charge each and every electrical item to the correct level without any risk of over-charging, or fires etc? Can a charger used to charge a camera really also charge a Vacuum cleaner properly and safely?

The only real effect this rule has is to make the appliance buyer spend more money than they need to, if they don't already have a charger/wall-wart. A bit like when the EU forced Microsoft to charge more for Windows operating systems if Windows Media Player was included with the operating system. This was done because there were other media players available and the EU thought it would go against competition if Windows media Player was included for free, even though some of the other media players were free.

Would it not make more sense for buyers to have the option when in shops of choosing to have a charger for free from the maker of the appliance if they need it but if they don't need it they can decline it, with the same option when buying online?

As an aside, why do you still have all the cheap, poor cables and chargers if they are unneeded? Would it not be better to take them to a recycling depot?
 
seany65 said:
That makes NO sense! If you have to buy a separate wall-wart, then the thing has to come in its own packaging, thus negating the "benefit" of not having a wall-wart included with the item it's meant to charge. If you have lots of wall-warts and chargers are you keeping the electrical goods that those things are meant to charge, if so why do you have so many? Can each and every wall-wart charge each and every electrical item to the correct level without any risk of over-charging, or fires etc? Can a charger used to charge a camera really also charge a Vacuum cleaner properly and safely?
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Yes, that is the whole point of standards. I have a 100w USB-C charger. It will charge my laptop easily or DJI battery packs. It will also charge a old USB camera that was made in the times of 5w charger. The higher wattage charging only happens for devices that support it.

A higher wattage supply won't supply additional power to a device that can't use it. Just like plugging in a 5w lightbulb into your AC outlet which can supply 1800w.
 
shawn said:
Yes, that is the whole point of standards. I have a 100w USB-C charger. It will charge my laptop easily or DJI battery packs. It will also charge a old USB camera that was made in the times of 5w charger. The higher wattage charging only happens for devices that support it.

A higher wattage supply won't supply additional power to a device that can't use it. Just like plugging in a 5w lightbulb into your AC outlet which can supply 1800w.
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Exactly this - I just learned all about it when I was curious if I’d blow up my new Sigma BF using my gigawatt MacBook charger. The “PD” standard throttles output to whatever the conforming device can take.

I like the trend of not including wall warts. External chargers that are fed by USB-C are what I would consider to be the ideal.
 
seany65 said:
That makes NO sense! If you have to buy a separate wall-wart, then the thing has to come in its own packaging, thus negating the "benefit" of not having a wall-wart included with the item it's meant to charge. If you have lots of wall-warts and chargers are you keeping the electrical goods that those things are meant to charge, if so why do you have so many?
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It makes perfect sense. A lot of the time now you don't even need a "wall-wart"; I mostly charge everything from a three-gang adapter that also has three USB ports in it (making sure I don't draw too much power in one go, of course). I'm planning on moving later this year and first port of call will be to replace the power sockets with ones that also have USB ports (like this one: MK White Double 13A Raised slim Switched Screwed Socket with USB, x2).

As long as whatever the USB port is part of is well-made and the USB port can put out enough power (check the amperage!), it'll charge 99% of everything I own.

The only two devices I have which are fussy enough to need their own dedicated chargers are both Sony ones - the PSP Go (my trusty travel companion for the last 15 years), which doesn't seem to like any USB port other than the one in the charger it came with, and the controllers for the PlayStation 3 (which the PSP Go can also use), which need a handshake on the data lines to start charging. Sony used to be super awkward like that in the late 2000s/early 2010s.

Everything else - phone, headphones, batteries, external chargers - can all go from any USB port in the house, and there's quite a lot of them dotted around.

seany65 said:
As an aside, why do you still have all the cheap, poor cables and chargers if they are unneeded? Would it not be better to take them to a recycling depot?
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This is a very valid point. I've got to clear a lot of that out - my partner also has a separate box of cables she's accumulated over the years. There's always that little nagging feeling in the back of my head of "maybe I need a USB-A to USB-mini cable with no data lines at some point, so I should probably hold onto this". It's dumb, but I might as well hold onto them instead of maybe needing to buy replacements later and contributing to more e-waste down the line.
 
I have to admit the results I’m seeing from these are quite charming. I’d love to see it be a raging success so it iterates into something I’d consider to be more usable.
 
Ken Ford said:
I have to admit the results I’m seeing from these are quite charming. I’d love to see it be a raging success so it iterates into something I’d consider to be more usable.
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I've been thinking about this camera a bit lately. I have tons of nice compact film cameras, but finding a decent compact digital camera not cluttered up with a bazillion silly features and functions I'd never use has proven difficult. I have way more pro grade equipment than I need or want to carry every day.

What I'd like is the functional equivalent of my Minox 35GT-E or Rollei 35S: very compact, very light weight, a single fixed lens, pocketable, with enough pixels and nothing excess. This Fuji X Half is almost on the money except it's a JPEG-only camera ... I'd buy one in a second if it supported raw capture.

I think the closest I've found to what I want is either this or the Leica X1/X2 models. I had an X2 some years ago and it was delightful, it got traded off for something else at one point or another along the way, and I've actually missed it's utter simplicity and compact size, light weight.

But I do like this camera for what it is. Hmm hmm hmm ..

G
 
The new Yashica looks like sucker bait, and I don't like playing the sucker.

Fujifilm X-HF1 looks mildly amusing, and I kind of understand the desire for a certain camera vibe / gestalt, but I sense that I'd be bored of this thing within a week (maybe even an afternoon), and if I simply had to have a retro-styled camera, I might do better with a Nikon Zfc.
 
JeffS7444 said:
Fujifilm X-HF1 looks mildly amusing, and I kind of understand the desire for a certain camera vibe / gestalt, but I sense that I'd be bored of this thing within a week (maybe even an afternoon), and if I simply had to have a retro-styled camera, I might do better with a Nikon Zfc.
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I agree, "amusing" is a good term for it. I think it would be a lot of fun, but again, probably for a fairly short amount of time. The one thing it's got that my Nikon Zfc doesn't, is that direct link to the FujiFilm instax mini Link 3 printer.

Was at a family gathering last night with the Nikon Zfc and got a group shot of all the relatives in from out of town. Some youngsters in the group and wanted to give them each a small print of the occasion (something they are delighted with as it's so different from the cell phone images they usually get). So I also brought along an iPad and the Instax printer. Would have been nice to just shoot the image over from the camera to the printer and be done with it, but had to go thru the iPad to the printer. Not as convenient, requires more equipment, but still doable. And the Nikon Zfc does give you many more shooting options than the FujiFilm X-HF1.

Best,
-Tim
 
Ken Ford said:
I have to admit the results I’m seeing from these are quite charming. I’d love to see it be a raging success so it iterates into something I’d consider to be more usable.
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I think it'll be a fine camera if you don't expect much. From what I´ve read, it is pretty slow to focus and react. I'm ok with that since it won't be used for moving things anyway. Mine hasn't shipped yet, but I saw that B&H has (had) the black one in stock.
 
JohnGellings said:
I think it'll be a fine camera if you don't expect much. From what I´ve read, it is pretty slow to focus and react. I'm ok with that since it won't be used for moving things anyway. Mine hasn't shipped yet, but I saw that B&H has (had) the black one in stock.
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That’s why I would hold out for an iteration - I don’t think I would be happy with the current model.
 
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