daveleo
what?
Damn if I wasn't just about to type what you said there !
"Hand assembled, cutting edge, and eco-friendly"
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Damn if I wasn't just about to type what you said there !
B-9
Devin Bro
Garbage,
It's just cool to make junk that looks hip.
I for one am tired of these 40 years to late camera designs coming out of the gutter.
It's just cool to make junk that looks hip.
I for one am tired of these 40 years to late camera designs coming out of the gutter.
jsrockit
Moderator
Reflex is certainly doable and an ok idea... why April 1st?
peterm1
Veteran
A few years ago a name was coined for this type of thing in the "e world". Vaporware. Did you read the specs. The dimensions quoted are "Bare dimensions (approximate)
Body - LxHxW (cm): 6x6x3.8 - with no pentaprism
Backs - LxHxW (cm): 14x8x3 - maximum"
6 centimeters! You could hang it on a key chain. Which kind of tells you this sounds suspiciously like a joke.
Oh and by the way. We already have a film/digital camera with interchangeable backs. It is called a Hasselblad. And it does not cost $850 (see their FAQs) it costs much much more than this. Which is what hand built high quality cameras tend to cost.
The "makers" (itself a bit of a stretch since they have not really made anything yet other than a web page) apparently do not even have a beta model of any product. All they have is what looks like a rectangular block of wood with a mock up of a pentaprism slapped on top (with, I might add what look like wood screws) and a mock up of a lens and lens mount on the front. All of which looks like it was made in mum and dad's basement. So what they really might be after if they are serious (which I doubt given the specs quoted) is some other people's money - to be provided by "mugs" - to fund their idea. Why? Well, maybe it is because 20 somethings are very into film right now. It is THE new retro thing to do. But I suggest that by the time this thing comes to market (if it ever did - which I doubt) the intended buyers will have forgotten about film and have moved onto the next "big thing". One thing that is eternally true of 20 somethings, especially millenials is that that they have the attention span of a gnat and a follow the crowd mentality fueled by whatever was in this morning's Twitter storm.
But never fear, the camera will be vegan and recycleable - "We seek to use only ethically sourced components in production and thus yes, there should be a version available containing only vegan materials......We will be using the largest possible amount of recycled metal and plastic in our cameras and accessories." Well call me Mr Suspicious but that should ensure it is a bust, just like anything that bills itself as vegan.
On the bright side I think I have a better name for the camera than theirs. I will call it the puffy tail camera. Named after a famous Homer Simpson skit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivPFlKyeypU
Body - LxHxW (cm): 6x6x3.8 - with no pentaprism
Backs - LxHxW (cm): 14x8x3 - maximum"
6 centimeters! You could hang it on a key chain. Which kind of tells you this sounds suspiciously like a joke.
Oh and by the way. We already have a film/digital camera with interchangeable backs. It is called a Hasselblad. And it does not cost $850 (see their FAQs) it costs much much more than this. Which is what hand built high quality cameras tend to cost.
The "makers" (itself a bit of a stretch since they have not really made anything yet other than a web page) apparently do not even have a beta model of any product. All they have is what looks like a rectangular block of wood with a mock up of a pentaprism slapped on top (with, I might add what look like wood screws) and a mock up of a lens and lens mount on the front. All of which looks like it was made in mum and dad's basement. So what they really might be after if they are serious (which I doubt given the specs quoted) is some other people's money - to be provided by "mugs" - to fund their idea. Why? Well, maybe it is because 20 somethings are very into film right now. It is THE new retro thing to do. But I suggest that by the time this thing comes to market (if it ever did - which I doubt) the intended buyers will have forgotten about film and have moved onto the next "big thing". One thing that is eternally true of 20 somethings, especially millenials is that that they have the attention span of a gnat and a follow the crowd mentality fueled by whatever was in this morning's Twitter storm.
But never fear, the camera will be vegan and recycleable - "We seek to use only ethically sourced components in production and thus yes, there should be a version available containing only vegan materials......We will be using the largest possible amount of recycled metal and plastic in our cameras and accessories." Well call me Mr Suspicious but that should ensure it is a bust, just like anything that bills itself as vegan.
On the bright side I think I have a better name for the camera than theirs. I will call it the puffy tail camera. Named after a famous Homer Simpson skit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivPFlKyeypU
Huss
Veteran
You guys just don't get it.
flagellum
Established
Amazing! A vegan camera that takes gelatin-based film!
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
A lot of the joy of being into photography for me is having a choice of several cameras and being able to switch from digital to film by embracing my choices. Why the hell anyone would want this put into one camera escapes me.
Maybe Huss is right and we aren't 'getting it' ... frankly though I don't see what there is to get!
Maybe Huss is right and we aren't 'getting it' ... frankly though I don't see what there is to get!
ptpdprinter
Veteran
Perhaps you could explain what it is we are missing.
Huss
Veteran
michaelwj
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Did someone say beer? I'll take one.
michaelwj
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The 6x6x3.8cm bit is the mirror box/lens mount/shutter, the 14x8.3cm bit goes around this and holds the film/sensor and the required levers/buttons for the film/sensor to work. So a complete camera is 14x8x3.8 plus the pentaprism, pretty standard size really.
I'm not going to comment on the project further until I see a working prototype... but I'm not sure I can hold back for that long!
Good luck to them, I hope they succeed.
Paul T.
Veteran
I hope it works but they have a few mountains to climb and R&T GLobal Servies don't seem to have much prior experience with cameras.
This is their nerve centre, Google tells me...
And more 'info' here:
https://www.thephoblographer.com/2017/12/22/creating-the-first-digital-and-film-camera-hybrid/#/
Here's the plan: “We want to foster [the] film photography industry (and also all the related comparts), and we aim at creating a new business model, where smaller projects grow together to settle up their markets."
This is their nerve centre, Google tells me...
And more 'info' here:
https://www.thephoblographer.com/2017/12/22/creating-the-first-digital-and-film-camera-hybrid/#/
Here's the plan: “We want to foster [the] film photography industry (and also all the related comparts), and we aim at creating a new business model, where smaller projects grow together to settle up their markets."
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Arbitrarium
Well-known
One of the main appeals of shooting film is using old cameras with bygone qualities and history behind them. User experience > features. I don't think I'll ever be interested in a new film camera.
Michiel Fokkema
Michiel Fokkema
"PONF IS THE WORLD’S FIRST MULTI-BACK FILM AND DIGITAL CAMERA."
They didn't put a lot of research in this statement.
They didn't put a lot of research in this statement.
Brooklynguy
Established
PonF - Ponzi Film
Seems like a good way to raise funds on Kickstarter and live off other's hopes and dreams for a couple of years, send out a few "update" emails until the money runs out.
Seems like a good way to raise funds on Kickstarter and live off other's hopes and dreams for a couple of years, send out a few "update" emails until the money runs out.
zuiko85
Veteran
I can see the ‘digital back’ concept on a film camera because:
I like my all mechanical film cameras. One main reason I still shoot film is because that is what the camera’s I like take. I want a shutter speed dial that does that (and only that).
Ditto for the lens aperture ring. And interchangeable focusing screens so I can have the plain matte with grid lines I like. And a smooth, no backlash, well damped manual focusing ring.
So, if I could have a digital back to clip onto my OM-1n (I’m not greedy, I’ll accept a 18X24 mm sensor with a screen marked with that area). Then okay, that could get my attention.
I like my all mechanical film cameras. One main reason I still shoot film is because that is what the camera’s I like take. I want a shutter speed dial that does that (and only that).
Ditto for the lens aperture ring. And interchangeable focusing screens so I can have the plain matte with grid lines I like. And a smooth, no backlash, well damped manual focusing ring.
So, if I could have a digital back to clip onto my OM-1n (I’m not greedy, I’ll accept a 18X24 mm sensor with a screen marked with that area). Then okay, that could get my attention.
zuiko85
Veteran
The problem with Kickstarter is that the physical address of the creator is not listed. That should be a legal requirement. If these jokers thought that there was a possibility that a irate backer could show up on their door step when they are a year late and have ignored all backer pleas for communication. Then perhaps Kickstarter would (deservedly) lose so many projects they would go bankrupt.
Livesteamer
Well-known
This reminds me a bit of when I was ten years old, proud owner of an adjustable wrench and thought that one tool would be the only tool I would need and I could do anything with that one adjustable wrench. It did not work out that way.
Didn't Contarex have a 35mm slr with interchangeable backs way back in the late 1960's? My impression was they were complex and difficult. Anyone ever use one of those? Joe
Didn't Contarex have a 35mm slr with interchangeable backs way back in the late 1960's? My impression was they were complex and difficult. Anyone ever use one of those? Joe
Steve M.
Veteran
"Kickstarter". Tells you everything you need to know.
ColSebastianMoran
( IRL Richard Karash )
The idea that this is backed by a film company is a possibility.
I'm remembering old Kodak research: Greatest use of film by most consumers is during the first few months after buying a new camera. Hence, effect to keep introducing new camera models in order to sell film. (Perhaps making money on the cameras as well.)
I'm remembering old Kodak research: Greatest use of film by most consumers is during the first few months after buying a new camera. Hence, effect to keep introducing new camera models in order to sell film. (Perhaps making money on the cameras as well.)