Heads up - Ilford increasing prices worldwide from 11th May

On the other hand, by not driving I am saving enough to pay for some more expensive film. Sign of the times?

I agree. I really don't think we're hard done by. It would be worthwhile for some to read (or re-read) Weston's Daybooks. Sometimes an artist's priorities need to be shifted to buy supplies. Most of us are not in the buy food or buy film position....
 
I just got to the end of a 100ft bulk roll of HP5, seems like the perfect time to order another before they go up, heck I might order 2 and I'll be good for about the next 4 years!
 
Zuiko, Ilford FP4 (4x5)is now $179/100. Ilford FP4 on 6x9 works out to 0.79/ frame So not really equal to or exceeding.

I was comparing across all brands, not within a single brand. Although your point is completely valid, apples to apples and all that.
Thats the problem with age you see, (I’ll be 71 very soon) we remember prices through time. Always gag a bit when I remember getting change back from a $10 when buying a 100 ft. Bulk roll of Tri-X, that was in the early 70’s and now B&H has it at $99.99.
Yes, I know....but that is still almost double the inflation adjusted price.
 
Zuiko, I don't think of number of frames at all when shooting 120, except as far as...is there action happening while i need to reload? ..... whereas with 4x5 & 5x7 I'm much more sparing with my film.
 
Three choices that I see.

1] pay a little more and keep film alive
2] be outraged and then wax sentimental about the bygone days
3] buy a Leica Monochrom or monochrome digital back

#1 is a pain but livable, #2 irreversible and free, #3 a pretty pfennig
 
"So what's Ilford supposed to do, lose money on every product they sell? "

"Ilford has prices increase way to often and for way to high over last few years.
Looks like greed, not loosing money.
Kodak increasing prices due to over-bloated management and else not related to production chain as well."

"Up to 15% according to the article.
There’s a risk that the younger analogue users will say enough is enough and take to digital, and or shoot less film. What then? Raise prices even more until it forces more and more out of film photography?
I’m hoping Fomapan will hold their prices, and if so I’ll shift my allegiance. In this troubled time financially with a recession on the way, or possibly a full on depression, it can’t be a sound strategy to raise prices. They could kill it through greed."

It's interesting to me how the pitch of voices rise when the topic of price increases comes up. Typically it's about consumables; film, paper. Rarely do you hear so much heat with regard to much-loved hardware. This coming from a forum where the possession of multiple cameras (used or unused) is the rule rather than the exception. In this case all over (as an example) a roll of 120 film that costs about as much as a Starb*cks coffee.

I don't shoot X-ray film in LF, and i avoid using film from makers whose film QC gives questionable results. There's still plenty of choice out there. I do question though, if costs increases can always be assumed to be caused by greed.

The cost of film vs camera or film vs starbucks coffee is fine if you shoot one roll a month.
I've shot 8 rolls of C41 with lab dev/scan the past couple of weeks and it's cost me about £160. I can suck that up as a one off, but can't sustain that week in/week out throughout the year.
 
The cost of film vs camera or film vs starbucks coffee is fine if you shoot one roll a month.
I've shot 8 rolls of C41 with lab dev/scan the past couple of weeks and it's cost me about £160. I can suck that up as a one off, but can't sustain that week in/week out throughout the year.

Ste_S I see your point of view, although in my case I process my own film & print in my darkroom. I'm sure you're aware that over time those disposables have gone up enormously, as inversely proportional as the selection and availability of papers has decreased. I used to proof on 8x10 RC paper which 10 yrs ago was $38/box......now it's $138....and that's just proofing paper.

My point is that 15% on film from a supplier who has stayed in the game and contributed to the film community. (See ULF yearly sheet film programme as an example), is the cost of doing business. Most folks who buy coffee (or a pint at the pub) have more than one a month. I suppose i'd have to ask, (and you're not obliged to answer) did you burn 8 rolls of C41 and get results you were happy with?...or were they disposable photos? Taking in this case, Ilford's point of view.....can they stay in business subsidizing our photo habits?
 
Zuiko, I don't think of number of frames at all when shooting 120, except as far as...is there action happening while i need to reload? ..... whereas with 4x5 & 5x7 I'm much more sparing with my film.

That seems logical. Often 4x5 is the type of camera that takes much more time to set up and operate. Granted, when newspaper photographers from a bygone era were welding 4x5 Speed Graphics, blasting away with #25 bulbs, it wasn’t that contemplative. Now, its quite often different.
I tend to treat 6x9 the same way, as an event, on a tripod, notebook,
an essential accessory in the kit, (specifically added to slow me down, you see, I also have, and use a Pen F half frame) thinking before I press the cable release.

I’m cheap too.
 
Didn’t Ilford just had an increase? February 22nd this year I bought many boxes of HP5 in 5x7 for $60 a box of 25 sheets. One week later I ordered some more and it had gone up to $67.5 a box. It’s wasn’t just B&H but Freestyle as well. I’ll keep shooting the stuff because it is as good as it gets but for kicking around I’ll shoot cheaper film like Foma and Shanghai GPS. Also Rapid fixer is something I’ll keep buying regardless. I’ll just change the way I process film like not let diluted chemicals sit around.
 
Wow the price of film is increasing. A roll of Pan F might go up by 80 cents. I'm going to sell the M7 and buy a new M10, that'll save me a bundle.
 
Wow the price of film is increasing. A roll of Pan F might go up by 80 cents. I'm going to sell the M7 and buy a new M10, that'll save me a bundle.

Glad someone said it. Kudos Beemermark!
 
Making film is complicated and expensive. If you want to bitch about something, bitch about the price of bread. I mean, four bucks for some flour and water? Think about it.... Film is still cheap.
 
It's down to paying a $1 more for a roll of film or buying a Leica Monochrom or MF monochrome digital back.

Take your pick.
 
So, 1-15% increase and "The prices increases are part of a planned annual schedule".

Makes sense to me. Cost of living raises for employees would be minimum 3% per year alone, cost of raw materials may be up, etc etc. These increases are normal. Now if the increases were 75% instead of this I'd be wondering about the health of their business. But this is barely news.
 
Making film is complicated and expensive. If you want to bitch about something, bitch about the price of bread. I mean, four bucks for some flour and water? Think about it.... Film is still cheap.




As a baker, I take offense! Talk about not knowing where your food comes from... Of course, we also sell a french loaf for 95 cents Canadian. But that's called a loss leader for those in the know.:angel:
 
As a baker, I take offense! Talk about not knowing where your food comes from... Of course, we also sell a french loaf for 95 cents Canadian. But that's called a loss leader for those in the know.:angel:

French loaf? Is that a baguette or does it just really only get along with good cheese?

Marty
 
Ilford has prices increase way to often and for way to high over last few years.
Looks like greed, not loosing money.

That is completely wrong, as about almost all of your comments about film manufacturing. You really don't know what you are talking about.

The financial data of Harman technology / Ilford Photo is published yearly. And over all the years they have only made a tiny profit in the range of 5 - 7 %.
That is just enough to survive.
But has absolutely nothing to do with "greed" as you claim.

Cheers, Jan
 
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