HELP! My Nokton fell apart! (Sort of.)

Johann Espiritu

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This week, while I was using my Nokton 35/1.2, the screws that hold the lens to the bayonet mount all snapped! Luckily, I was holding the lens while focussing, so it did not fall. I showed it to my local trusty camera repair guy, who said it would be a simple job to screw back on, if we could find the exact screws. Would you guys know where to get these?

Thanks, in advance!

Johann
 
Your local camera repair guy is definitely right, but finding the screws could be a challenge. I'd recommend heading to your local hardware store, with the lens so that you may find the appropriate thread pitch. The screw lengths can be trimmed to the correct size, but you'll want to make sure that the screw heads are properly sized to the respective holes.
 
Another member here had that exact same problem with his Nokton 35/1.2. His lens repair guy used the screws from an old Minolta lens (no idea which one) to repair the lens for about a 1/3 of the price he was quoted for the correct screws from Cosina.
 
... that is not really inspiring confidence. If this happens while walking and carrying the lens using a neck or shoulder-strap ... 😱

I know what you mean... and/but this is by far my favorite lens, so I'm in a bit of a conundrum. I'm thinking of getting this repaired and getting a V2 to use. Bummer.
 
If your camera repairer does not own a set of screw gauges, you might have to pick another one who does. Or go to a watchmaker, optician or precision mechanic who can determine the size and pitch of the screws. Even if it should happen to be a custom thread or some ancient non-metrical standard (highly unlikely given a very recent mass-produced lens), it would not be a problem for them to re-cut a standard thread.

There are many online dealers around that will globally ship pretty much every standard screw within 24h, in packages of a hundred or less, for less than 20c each - so getting the screws would be trivial and reasonably affordable once you have determined the correct size.
 
Wow - I'm genuinely surprised that something like this could have happened. Now I'm hesitant to purchase anything from the modern Cosina Voigtlander...

Did you feel that something was odd with the lens recently? Or did it just happen without any signs? Surely these things have to be designed with plenty of tolerance, and yet all of the screws broke at once.
 
The other member who experienced the same problem has a chrome Nokton 35/1.2 as well. Maybe the problem is due to the extra weight of the chrome version compared to the black version...

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This week, while I was using my Nokton 35/1.2, the screws that hold the lens to the bayonet mount all snapped!

The lens that Jon is talking about was mine.

The problem that occurred was exactly the same. Suddenly, all of the screws snapped.

It was a chrome version of v.1, just like Johann's.

My local technician repaired it with screws from an old Minolta lens.
If necessary, I could inquire with him about which one.

Cosina Japan refused to deal with individuals and told me to contact Cosina's representative in France. The French representative did not answer my emails until the third try, and then only to refuse any help.

Stephen Gandy, to his credit, was willing to help, after a fashion, in spite of his suspicion of serious wrongdoing on my part.

Always ready to criticize myself before others, I let it go at that golden rule. But to be honest, I never treated that lens with anything but respect and care. It never underwent any kind of shock whatsoever.

At the time, I thought that perhaps it was due to some kind of stress induced when the bayonet was removed and replaced again (for 6-bit coding by John Milich). But now seeing Johann's lens experience exactly the same problem in the same way, it sounds very fishy to me.

I think it is important that both Cosina Japan and Stephen be informed of this problem. It cannot be coincidence. At the same time, there is no need for alarm or overgeneralization about a manufacturer's QC.

The v.1 35/1.2 is a wonderful lens that compares favorably to anything at any price point.
 
I suspect the same thing as @jonmanjiro - the added weight of the chrome might have been too much stress on the screws. They should be made out of titanium!

Thanks for the tip @noimmunity. I found four screws from an old Minolta zoom which fit perfectly. I need one more, as the Nokton requires five. I did test it, and the focus and everything still works fine. I too treat this lens (it's my favorite) with lots of care and never abused it , and until now, never had any problems with it. Neither do I have any problems with any of my other Voigtlander products.

I hope Stephen is able to send those extra screws, though...

Cheers,

Johann
 
At the time, I thought that perhaps it was due to some kind of stress induced when the bayonet was removed and replaced again (for 6-bit coding by John Milich). But now seeing Johann's lens experience exactly the same problem in the same way, it sounds very fishy to me.

It might be interesting whether Johann's lens had also been worked on previously - the flaw sounds as if all screws had been tightened past their permissible torque, which is a issue with many third party repairers. Quite a few of them don't own torque tools at all, and even if they do, they might be ignorant regarding the torque specs for that lens. Applying the torque appropriate for a plain steel screw to stainless, or not cleaning out a thread filled with hardened screw fastener are quite likely to damage the screw.
 
It might be interesting whether Johann's lens had also been worked on previously.

My lens has actually never been worked on, so that wouldn't have been the culprit. I'm thinking now that it's possible that the screws didn't all snap at the same time - and it was only when the last one popped that the lens mount finally gave. Again - it's good that I was holding it at the time!
 
Quick update: The Voigtlander dealer in Hong Kong (amd currently in Manila) can send me the screws for US$35. Seems like a lot to pay for screws, but at this point, I don't have much of a choice!

Thanks for the info above, guys!
 
It might be interesting whether Johann's lens had also been worked on previously - the flaw sounds as if all screws had been tightened past their permissible torque, which is a issue with many third party repairers. Quite a few of them don't own torque tools at all, and even if they do, they might be ignorant regarding the torque specs for that lens. Applying the torque appropriate for a plain steel screw to stainless, or not cleaning out a thread filled with hardened screw fastener are quite likely to damage the screw.

Japanese manufacturers love their LocTite; it would not be surprising if a repairperson overtorqued screws that were actually supposed to tightened less but but glued. Loose screws can also get sheared when the pieces they connect slide against each other (as might be happening when you focus) - but most camera screws are countersunk.

But it could also be poor design and materials for the job. Is the flange keyed to the body of the lens? Or is it essentially free to rotate if the screws are out?

One thing that always amuses is that no matter how few Japanese companies are actually involved in making metal parts for cameras, no two screws are ever compatible.

Dante
 
Great - I just picked up a chrome nokton and was thinking about selling my black one. This thread has me reconsidering that strategy.

My black nokton had to be repaired as well - the front half started to wobble and once that happened I couldn't focus it accurately anymore.
 
I have same same front wobble as you yossarian123. It's finally gotten bad enough to affect focus so time to find someone to repair it here in the UK.
 
Snapped? Or came loose? If they'd snapped, I'd have thought it would be Hell's own job to get out the snapped-off bit. I'm probably totally wrong, but I'm surprised.

Cheers,

R.
 
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